I have to agree there shanerjedi. I think it is totally unnecissay to be added. The only think that COULD work is the fireworks being the debris of the DS.
Yes I know it's fantasy but if Luke suddenly made the Emperor vanish by clicking his fingers it would break the rules of the fantasy.
Star Wars treads a line between high fantasy (with magic and fairy folk) and space opera (with people who have alien abilities and interdimensional beings).
A big explosion right next to an occupied planet sized moon still has consequences in the Star Wars universe (it's why Ackbar moves the fleet away before it explodes) you can't move Endor out of the way but you can move the station and having it getting into position to blow up Endor and the fleet parked next to it gives us a reason for it move which adds tension to the story.
Bingowings said:
Yes I know it's fantasy but if Luke suddenly made the Emperor vanish by clicking his fingers it would break the rules of the fantasy.
Star Wars treads a line between high fantasy (with magic and fairy folk) and space opera (with people who have alien abilities and interdimensional beings).
A big explosion right next to an occupied planet sized moon still has consequences in the Star Wars universe (it's why Ackbar moves the fleet away before it explodes) you can't move Endor out of the way but you can move the station and having it getting into position to blow up the Endor and the fleet parked next to it gives us a reason for it move which adds tension to the story.
Well look, I'm all for the little subplot of the the DS moving into position to blow up Endor as a last resort. However, maybe it's a suicidal gesture? Even the novel hints at that. I just don't see any need to add an explanation for the debris. I always assumed it burned up in the atmosphere. Yeah, not real, but good enough. Sounds in space, not real, but cool for SW.
That is a good point Bingo. It would be nice to see the DS move away from Endor and get Endor on it's radar. It would make the whole walking into a trap line be alot more suspensful.
All of this would also make the Holocaust Theory make more sense.
Ghost said:
That is a good point Bingo. It would be nice to see the DS move away from Endor and get Endor on it's radar. It would make the whole walking into a trap line be alot more suspensful.
All of this would also make the Holocaust Theory make more sense.
It would take some skilled cuts though so the pace of the film doesn't suffer or drag.
The ideal place would be just as Ackbar says "Move the fleet away from the Death Star" (which would need to be shunted after the fighters have gone in), one of his aides could come back with "but sir it's moving away from us!".
Brief exterior shot of the Death Star drifting out of it's previous orbit.
Then show the screen on the Death Star Command centre targeting the Endor moon and starting the countdown and then continue with the race to the reactor core.
That could work Bingo, but it almost would feel rushed. Yes, it would take some skilled cuts, but would it be a necessary addition? I'd need to see some mockups.
Bingowings said:
The ideal place would be just as Ackbar says "Move the fleet away from the Death Star" (which would need to be shunted after the fighters have gone in), one of his aides could come back with "but sir it's moving away from us!".
Brief exterior shot of the Death Star drifting out of it's previous orbit.
Then show the screen on the Death Star Command centre targeting the Endor moon and starting the countdown and then continue with the race to the reactor core.
You'd also have to possibly add a line or two of dubbed in dialogue during the command centre targeting saying something like: "we're moving into position for final plan or Order 666(:p)" or something like that. make it sound like the empire planned on having the last laugh after all.
Bingowings said:
It was all down to essentially an error of judgement on Lucas' part.
yea, but that was prolly the last thing on his mind at the time. he was just excited to get his movies done.
plus, people could've care less how close the DS2 was to Endor when it blew up. Obi-wan in ANH said that it was the size of a moon.
this is almost as annoying as arguing with my dad about there being inhabitants on mustafar and how Anakin and Obi-Wan should of died of heat stroke! :p
rcb said:
this is almost as annoying as arguing with my dad about there being inhabitants on mustafar and how Anakin and Obi-Wan should of died of heat stroke! :p
Yeah, but by then I already threw my hands up and gave up on all of that a movie or two prior. I mean really? The reactor is visible from the hanger bay? And he did it all on autopilot?!? I could go on, but I'll let Ric do that for me...
Take it away, Ric! (insert Johnny Carson theme)
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God I hope I get it, I hope I get it!!!!!!!!
I think it would be cool if Jabba's palace were concealed in a mountain like the Cliff Palace in Mesa Verde Colorado.
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Monroville said:
Take it away, Ric! (insert Johnny Carson theme)
Hi there everyone, great to be here. Say, what's the deal with people who say obvious things? You ever notice that? You'll be standing there, eating a sandwich, and a guy will come up to you and say, "I see you're eating a sandwich!" Am I right?
shanerjedi said:
Bingowings said:
The ideal place would be just as Ackbar says "Move the fleet away from the Death Star" (which would need to be shunted after the fighters have gone in), one of his aides could come back with "but sir it's moving away from us!".
Brief exterior shot of the Death Star drifting out of it's previous orbit.
Then show the screen on the Death Star Command centre targeting the Endor moon and starting the countdown and then continue with the race to the reactor core.
You'd also have to possibly add a line or two of dubbed in dialogue during the command centre targeting saying something like: "we're moving into position for final plan or Order 666(:p)" or something like that. make it sound like the empire planned on having the last laugh after all.
I don't think that is necessary for one thing the Emperor was cock sure that between the Death Star and the Imperial Fleet he had the Rebels very much where he wanted them.
Once the shield is down moving into position to blow up the moon would be both a risk (without a shield the station is now open to blanket bombardment as well as attack from within) and an act of desperation they run the risk of destroying their fleet as well as the Rebels (it would also be an alternative place to put in a Piett change of heart too).
A targeting sequence pretty much says it all anyway, once the audience sees a graphic of Endor and the fleet and a countdown they pretty much know what's going on.
Still, Bingo, a line or two of dialogue would be nice to at least acknowledge that the DS command center knows the shield went down... of course, this leads to another problem: the Emperor kinda states "now witness the firepower of this FULLY OPERATIONAL battle station!" Um, if it is fully operational, wouldn't that mean that the shield generator was a mcguffin and that the DS2 had shields of its own?
Maybe the FULLY OPERATIONAL line needs to be taken out... I mean, c'mon! I know the Empire is incompetent and all, but jesus, do they have to just give it away?!? The first 2 movies you could suspend some disbelief (only Imperial Storm Troopers are this precise... unless they are shooting at main characters. Then they can't hit their nose if their lives depended on it), but JEDI takes the cake!
BTW, in regards to the "sound in space" argument earlier, keep in mind that not once does sound in space play a part in determining the fates of our heroes or villains: it is simply a cool audio device to get us into the World War 2ish/ King Arthury action (along with slow viewable lasers, laser swords, aliens speaking english, etc). Having actual plot elements that screw the story up or destroy integrity or believability (in character achievement) is all together completely different - you know, like how X-wings and the Falcon can fly through the construction of the DS2 without running into something and blowing up, but the much smaller, more manueverable Imperial TIE fighters (with pilots that would have access to a Death Star GPS system) do... to add to among hundreds of other such examples which compound upon each other until you just don't care anymore.
I guess you could say that JEDI is the inverse of the first movie in that in STAR WARS: ANH you really felt the hero earned his victory, so when you have the award ceremony, you almost felt as if you were Luke and getting a reward. In JEDI, it just comes across as if the fix was in and the Empire was paid to take a dive.
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
I just don't think it would be clear enough to go in after the fact and add a shot or two of the moon graphic without a line or two of dialogue stating: "moving into firing position sir" or something like that.
shanerjedi said:
I just don't think it would be clear enough to go in after the fact and add a shot or two of the moon graphic without a line or two of dialogue stating: "moving into firing position sir" or something like that.
Agreed. :D
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
Do I detect a video mockup on the way SSWR?
Bingowings said:
Do I detect a video mockup on the way SSWR?
No no. lol Just thought I'd throw my two cents in there.... ;)
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Bingowings said:
Do I detect a video mockup on the way SSWR?
No no. lol Just thought I'd throw my two cents in there.... ;)
*chants* video mock up video mock up video mock up
shanerjedi said:
*chants* video mock up video mock up video mock up
I'll second that.
Ric Olie said:
Monroville said:
Take it away, Ric! (insert Johnny Carson theme)
Hi there everyone, great to be here. Say, what's the deal with people who say obvious things? You ever notice that? You'll be standing there, eating a sandwich, and a guy will come up to you and say, "I see you're eating a sandwich!" Am I right?
u should give us more of those. i actually laughed at the joke.
You should come see me at open mic night.
That sandwich thing reminds me of a skit Tom Green did where he says people tell him he should do more observational humor, so he goes out on the street with a bullhorn and starts saying things like 'you're wearing a green shirt', 'you're enjoying a soda', 'you're driving a blue car', etc...
Perhaps there was a Tom Green fan at LFL around the time the made TPM? Haha.
Ric Olie said:
You should come see me at open mic night.
u got it on video? i doubt we live in the same area
rcb said:
Ric Olie said:
You should come see me at open mic night.
u got it on video? i doubt we live in the same area
Naboo comedy clubs don't allow video.