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What about Goldfinger and Dr. No? 

As for Brosnan, I think his best movie was Tomorrow Never Dies. 

For Roger Moore what about The Man With the Golden Gun, and The Spy Who Loved Me?

I agree with your choice for Dalton's movie.  

I also like You Only Live Twice. Donald Pleasence's Blofeld was the best of 3 actors to play the part.

 

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If I had to pick another Connery, I would be hard pressed between Goldfinger and Dr. No.  As it is, I can just pick From Russia with Love and be done with it.

Brosnan's best movie, or the best movie with Brosnan?  As a Gen X'er, I think Brosnan was perfectly suited to my generation's Bond.  GoldenEye is my favourite Bond movie of all time... I was totally pumped to see Tomorrow Never Dies on opening night... and I just couldn't get past how uninspiringly over the top it was.  It felt, to me, souless.  And it seemed to only go downhill from there.  It was just too smug... too self aware, maybe.  Too rote and too cliche. 

Martin Campbell seems to do Bond right by me, since I didn't care for any Bonds after his GoldenEye until his Casino Royale (I really thought I was done with the franchise until someone made me watch Casino Royale).  My wife even loved Royale, and she hates all other Bonds.  We watched OHMSS afterwards, because Royale was most like that one, I would say. 

She didn't hate it. 

Quantum of Solace started to leave the "realistic" Royale behind and go back to goofy Bond.  Like I said, if they can pull of a 3rd Quantum movie, I'll be really excited about that.

The Spy Who Loved Me is my #2 Roger Moore.  And the theme song to A View to A Kill.  ;)

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"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

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xhonzi said:

Craig - Casion Royale

 

Those are the only Bond movies I need.  Maybe with Quantum of Solace if the third Craid movie makes a solid trilogy of his films.

 Man, my fingers suck at spelling when left to their own!

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"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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obviously, with have different tastes when it comes to Bond.  I prefer the classic style of Bond movies.   That is why I like Tomorrow Never Dies.    GoldenEye never appealed to me too much.   I'm surprised you didn't pick License To Kill as your favorite Dalton movie.   You seem to be the kind of Bond fan that likes that one.    Casino Royal was good, I just wish they would have made it more clear that they were totally restarting the series.   I don't understand why they kept Dench as Q.   If you want to get closer to the Books, why keep a female Q?  Keeping the same female Q as the last movie makes it look as though you are continuing that series.      

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Warbler said:

obviously, with have different tastes when it comes to Bond.  I prefer the classic style of Bond movies.   That is why I like Tomorrow Never Dies.    GoldenEye never appealed to me too much.   I'm surprised you didn't pick License To Kill as your favorite Dalton movie.   You seem to be the kind of Bond fan that likes that one.    Casino Royal was good, I just wish they would have made it more clear that they were totally restarting the series.   I don't understand why they kept Dench as Q.   If you want to get closer to the Books, why keep a female Q?  Keeping the same female Q as the last movie makes it look as though you are continuing that series.      

THEY DID MAKE IT CLEAR IN THE PRESS FOR THE MOVIE.  ALSO DAME JUDY DENCH WAS UNDER CONTRACT STILL.

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They could have bought her out.   As I seem to recall, they referred to the movie as a prequel, but I could be wrong. 

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Warb... Dench is M, not Q. And honestly, I think she makes a damn great one! Something about the way she plays the character stole every scene she was in - at least, Quantum of Solace-wise. There's not much going for that movie IMO.

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bkev said:

Warb... Dench is M, not Q.

 Wow, I read through that whole convo, and I never noticed the mistake!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Warbler said:

obviously, with have different tastes when it comes to Bond.  I prefer the classic style of Bond movies.   That is why I like Tomorrow Never Dies.   

 Classic like Connery or classic like Moore?  I thought Tomorrow Never Dies was more along the silly lines on Moore's stuff.

Also, I think the end of the Cold War put Bond in a tough spot.  They weren't quite sure what to do with him for a while.  It's kind of like the the Post RotJ books... they don't quite know what to do with the Empire gone.

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GoldenEye never appealed to me too much.   I'm surprised you didn't pick License To Kill as your favorite Dalton movie.   You seem to be the kind of Bond fan that likes that one. 

Ouch!  What did I do to you?  I actually think License to Kill is one of the worst of the series.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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xhonzi, I apologize.  You did nothing to me.  I meant nothing by my previous statement.  I know alot of Bond fans like License to Kill.   I assumed you did because you seemed to like the less traditional Bond movies.  But, you know what they say when you assume something?  I seem to have a problem with the way I come across.  I think I come across sounding meaner than intended, when I really didn't want to sound mean at all.  I was just making a comment,  I didn't mean anything critical by the statement.  

I suppose Tomorrow Never Dies Does more closely resemble the Moore era.    I like both the Moore and Connery Bond movies.  I guess I like the lighter Bond movies.   

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Warb... Dench is M, not Q. And honestly, I think she makes a damn great one! Something about the way she plays the character stole every scene she was in - at least, Quantum of Solace-wise. There's not much going for that movie IMO.

oops...sorry about that.  Someone who has watched Bond films as many times as I should never mistake Q for M.    I agree Dench is good in the role.  I guess I'm just a sexist.   I don't like it when they change the sex, or for that matter race, of a character for political correctness.  That's why I could never get into the new Battlestar Galactica.  

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Well, I like Judi Dench's M, and while I generally agree with you, I feel they get a pass on this one since M is a title and not a person anyway.  I have to say that I think making M a woman opposite the playboy Bond creates an excellent foil situation.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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M was originally played by a man,  and M was a man in the books. 

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Hey Warb, don't worry about it.  My "what did I do to you" was meant to be tongue in cheek.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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ah, ok. thats good.  I guess I'm just paranoid.  I had a big problem on another forum with someone interpreting my posts as mean and un-nice when they weren't intended that way, and I also just that same kind of problem in the baseball thread.   It has me worried that every time I post, its going to get misinterpreted.  Please excuse my paranoia.   

 

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Warbler said:

M was originally played by a man,  and M was a man in the books. 

Yes, I am aware of that, but, again, it's a title, not necessarily a specific character.  Therefore, it seems that they are open to changing facets of "M" when it's a different "M."  Believe me, I feel the same way you do.  When Justice League first came on, and Green Lantern was a black man, I was a bit annoyed that they were being politically correct and changing the character's race.  I eventually learned more about Green Lantern (not knowing much at all) and realizing that there have been several Green Lanterns, and one of them was black, so it's not so much of a big deal to me.

Let me see if I can be clearer.  I know there's a fan theory that even James Bond is just a title used for several different spies in order to rationalize how Bond can continue on for so many decades (and obviously look so different in various appearances).  But let's forget about that.  If we are to assume that Bond is a singular character, that there is only one James Bond, then, yes, I would feel it to be quite irritating if he suddenly became a middle eastern woman and treated as if he/she was always that way.  But conversely, in GoldenEye, they specifically address the fact that Judi Dench's M is a brand new character with references to her male predecessors.  New person, doesn't retcon the old Ms, so I'm okay with it.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I see your point but in Casino Royal,  she is not playing the new M, is playing the original M(or more precisely  the M that was there when Bond first began his career as a spy).    By that logic, she is playing the M from the Book, who was male.

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Point taken on that end.  I'd forgotten you were also specifically complaining about the "new" Bond films, I thought you were just complaining about Judi Dench playing M in general.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Unless you back to Gaffer's other sort-of-point that perhaps this is a new Bond who takes over after Brosnan's Bond died from an STD he contracted on one of his missions.  Then it's the she-M who took over from the he-M training a Blonde-Bond after the Brown-Bond croaked.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Gaffer Tape said:

Point taken on that end.  I'd forgotten you were also specifically complaining about the "new" Bond films, I thought you were just complaining about Judi Dench playing M in general.

yeah, I suppose I was complaining about Dench playing M in general.  I guess I'm just sexist.

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I watching the yankees celebrate another championship.   It makes me sick to my stomach.   I'm going to go get drunk now. 

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[ghost of Warbler]

shut up.  how many championships of the Rangers won?

[/ghost of Warbler]

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About a great many things!

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!