The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 137

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

I mean, who *didn't* know that Palps was behind everything in the PT?

What?!?

Mr. Palpatine was my oldest and most trusted adviser.  Heck, he used to babysit me.

That's not true!  That's impossible!!!!

Noooooooooooo!

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Ric Olie said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

I mean, who *didn't* know that Palps was behind everything in the PT?

What?!?

Mr. Palpatine was my oldest and most trusted adviser.  Heck, he used to babysit me.

That's not true!  That's impossible!!!!

Noooooooooooo!

 Whoops! Sorry there, Ric. It's kind of like the whole Santa thing-...uh oh!  ;)

 What? Santa too! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! (I should of guessed I suppose, the anagram of Satan was a bit of a give away).

mrbenja0618 said:

Haha... Did anyone see my link?

I missed it when you posted it, but bravo on the blue light effect! Really pretty.

In regards to the whole Sifo Dyas thing, I eliminated mention of him altogether, as well as making the clone army common knowledge (I changed it from "using a bounty hunter called jango fett to create a clone army" to simply "using a bounty hunter to create THE clone army")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKiVFstZV2Y

Thanks SSWR... Like I said, it was Vaderios idea oiriginally... And it makes more sense to add secrecy to the conversation. I kinda liked the idea that the hologram had a auto dimmer switch for the room. =)

This is not on the current topic, but here are some random thoughts I had on the Prophecy and the Sith.

First of all, I like the idea of the Prophecy. It adds something extra to Anakin's character, and to the scene where he destroys the Emperor in ROTJ: he has finally fullfilled his destiny. It's a nice little tie between the two trilogies. The handling of the Prophecy is totally botched though. I don't think Lucas had even thought it out before he wrote ROTS.

I'd like what the Prophecy is to be mentioned in TPM. As it is, we don't find it what it is until ROTS, and by that time we don't care anymore. I think it could be done with some dialogue tweaks: "You refer to the Prophecy of the one who will [destroy the Sith and] bring balance to the Force. You believe it's this boy?" I think the Prophecy has to be mentioned here because Qui-Gon just told the Council the Sith might have returned, and just brought them the kid who he thinks is chosen to destroy them. The Jedi should realize here there are bigger things going on. I'd like TPM to end with the Jedi concluding that the Sith have returned indeed (as it already does), but add that they realize they need Anakin and have to train him to fulfull his destiny, and not just to throw Obi-Wan a bone.

The Prophecy is mentioned in AOTC, but the return of the Sith should be much more prominent. The Jedi don't seem to be investigating the matter at all. A scene was shot where Mace and Yoda talk about the Sith not having shown themselves in the past 10 years, but it was cut. Bits of pieces of it are on the AOTC DVD. Maybe it would a good idea to have the Jedi mention they are still searching for the Sith (maybe in the scene with the Chancellor or in a Jedi Council scene, after Yoda mentions the Dark Side is clouding everything).

In ROTS, the Prophecy is pretty prominent too. I'd like Anakin to mention it to Mace when he goes to confront Palpatine: "Master the Chancellor is very powerful. [I am the Chosen One] you'll need my help". To conclude the Prophecy in ROTS, maybe Obi-Wan could say to Yoda that everything is lost, and there can be no balance now. Yoda could say something to the effect that there still is a change for balance, and then have them discuss the fate of the twins, setting up that Luke will help his father to balance the Force. I don't really know if these changes in dialogue are possible though.

Random thought: would it be a good idea to put some Vader-shaped statues in Palpatine's office? I always imagined Vader's suit to have a bit more of a history behind it, but as it is, he just gets it slapped on. Palpatine has more Sith inspired art in his office, so it might be nice if the statues give us a clue at where Vader's suit comes from. Maybe it's ancient Sith armor or something like that.

I don't believe they would tell Palpatine anymore than they have to. They don't like giving up to many Jedi details.... So, to me the Jedi searching for the Sith is something that's under the surface. We know they are looking for them based on TPM... The Jedi are supposed to be wise and make their words few.

However, I would love to see someone render out a vaderesque statue. That's a great idea.. Maybe pulling from some of the old McQuarrie drawings.

mrbenja0618 said:

I don't believe they would tell Palpatine anymore than they have to. They don't like giving up to many Jedi details.... So, to me the Jedi searching for the Sith is something that's under the surface. We know they are looking for them based on TPM... The Jedi are supposed to be wise and make their words few.

Which makes Windu's line, about informing the Senate of their diminishing powers, completely idiotic.

TV's Frink said:

mrbenja0618 said:

I don't believe they would tell Palpatine anymore than they have to. They don't like giving up to many Jedi details.... So, to me the Jedi searching for the Sith is something that's under the surface. We know they are looking for them based on TPM... The Jedi are supposed to be wise and make their words few.

Which makes Windu's line, about informing the Senate of their diminishing powers, completely idiotic.

HAHA... True... Which is why I made sure I said "the Jedi are supposed to be wise" =)

I've been having a bit of discussion along these lines with SSWR.

Many cultures have an end of times myth that requires the coming of a special individual for the whole thing to kick off.

In the TPM the Jedi think they have already defeated the Sith so they rationalise this by thinking that prophecy may have been just a legend or may have been fulfilled in some unrecorded, symbolic or forgotten way (many Jewish people feel the current state of Israel is not the promised one because the Messiah didn't give it to them, some argue that the Messiah is the state itself returning, some say that the Messiah did turn up but his name wasn't recorded or that the Messiah aspect of the story is just a legend).

So when Qui-Gon announces that he thinks he has encountered a Sith Lord and the Chosen One it shakes them a bit.

I think it would shake them more if Qui-Gon claimed to have found the Chosen One first because the prophecy hinges on him bringing balance to the Force and destroying the Sith.

If they are so cock sure the Sith were destroyed long ago but the Chosen One has just turned up that would put the cat among the pidgeons for them, just as saying the second coming of Christ has happened to a believer of the Gospel of John.

The second coming is meant to be preceded by the reign of the antichrist which would mean the antichrist had been around for a long time already and they hadn't even noticed.

I must be one of the few people who actually like the chosen one thing (all be it not the way it was handled).

The vagaries of prophecy and the unexpected nature of what they actual mean is a classic mythic theme.

One of the EU aspects of the story I like too is the idea that the Sith too have a chosen one myth and that Anakin fulfills both prophecies (sort of like the antichrist turning out to be the messiah at a latter date).

It's also very Taoist, Anakin does his messianic act while a Sith Lord and his satanic act as a Jedi, very Yin/Yang.

Shame it never ended up in the film because it's a clever idea.

After recently watching Willow it's a shame in some ways because that film (for all it's faults) used a lot of the mythic themes that could have been in the PT and Val Kilmer back then would have made a really good Harrison Ford analogue (shame he disappeared up his own rear end later in his career).

It also felt more like a Star Wars film than the PT did most of the time.

Akwat Kbrana said:

The ROTJ Tatooine trip actually made a little sense, considering the fact that we first meet Han there in ANH and are concurrently informed of the price on his head. It's not a huge stretch of logic to see Jabba as connected with Tatooine, particularly if you grant the SE Jabba scene as authentic. Add to that the fact that Fett delivers Han to Jabba, and you've got a nice little coincidence in the appearance of this "backwater" planet twice in the trilogy, but by no means an unbelievable or overly "convenient" one.

PT Tatooine superfluousness, on the other hand, just stretches credulity to the breaking point.

Uhhh....... :p

Bingowings said:

I must be one of the few people who actually like the chosen one thing (all be it not the way it was handled).

The vagaries of prophecy and the unexpected nature of what they actual mean is a classic mythic theme.

One of the EU aspects of the story I like too is the idea that the Sith too have a chosen one myth and that Anakin fulfills both prophecies (sort of like the antichrist turning out to be the messiah at a latter date).

It's also very Taoist, Anakin does his messianic act while a Sith Lord and his satanic act as a Jedi, very Yin/Yang.

Shame it never ended up in the film because it's a clever idea.

After recently watching Willow it's a shame in some ways because that film (for all it's faults) used a lot of the mythic themes that could have been in the PT and Val Kilmer back then would have made a really good Harrison Ford analogue (shame he disappeared up his own rear end later in his career).

It also felt more like a Star Wars film than the PT did most of the time.

Yep. me and a cohort on TF.net back in the day talked about the Jedi and Sith both searching for the chosen one. TPM would be like a hunt for the jedi and sith.

what does gnosis mean?

what does gnosis mean?

Geonosis.

Great point up there Bingo.

Ghost said:

what does gnosis mean?

 

Geonosis.

 

 

Great point up there Bingo.

No, what is the definition of GNOSIS? Look it up.

Why couldn't they change all Sifo Dias mentions to Count Dooku?  Or mabey Qui-Gon?

Or Ric Olie?  Better yet, why couldn't they clone me instead of Jango.  Can you imagine a legion of Ric Olies marching on your enemies?  How overwhelming would that be?

"I just shot you.  Now you are dying.  Look, you are dead."

TV's Frink said:

mrbenja0618 said:

I don't believe they would tell Palpatine anymore than they have to. They don't like giving up to many Jedi details.... So, to me the Jedi searching for the Sith is something that's under the surface. We know they are looking for them based on TPM... The Jedi are supposed to be wise and make their words few.

Which makes Windu's line, about informing the Senate of their diminishing powers, completely idiotic.

You could make a whole book of Jedi Quotes for dummies by dummies just off of Windu's lines.

SilverKey said:

This is not on the current topic, but here are some random thoughts I had on the Prophecy and the Sith.

First of all, I like the idea of the Prophecy. It adds something extra to Anakin's character, and to the scene where he destroys the Emperor in ROTJ: he has finally fullfilled his destiny. It's a nice little tie between the two trilogies. The handling of the Prophecy is totally botched though. I don't think Lucas had even thought it out before he wrote ROTS.

I'd like what the Prophecy is to be mentioned in TPM. As it is, we don't find it what it is until ROTS, and by that time we don't care anymore. I think it could be done with some dialogue tweaks: "You refer to the Prophecy of the one who will [destroy the Sith and] bring balance to the Force. You believe it's this boy?" I think the Prophecy has to be mentioned here because Qui-Gon just told the Council the Sith might have returned, and just brought them the kid who he thinks is chosen to destroy them. The Jedi should realize here there are bigger things going on. I'd like TPM to end with the Jedi concluding that the Sith have returned indeed (as it already does), but add that they realize they need Anakin and have to train him to fulfull his destiny, and not just to throw Obi-Wan a bone.

The Prophecy is mentioned in AOTC, but the return of the Sith should be much more prominent. The Jedi don't seem to be investigating the matter at all. A scene was shot where Mace and Yoda talk about the Sith not having shown themselves in the past 10 years, but it was cut. Bits of pieces of it are on the AOTC DVD. Maybe it would a good idea to have the Jedi mention they are still searching for the Sith (maybe in the scene with the Chancellor or in a Jedi Council scene, after Yoda mentions the Dark Side is clouding everything).

In ROTS, the Prophecy is pretty prominent too. I'd like Anakin to mention it to Mace when he goes to confront Palpatine: "Master the Chancellor is very powerful. [I am the Chosen One] you'll need my help". To conclude the Prophecy in ROTS, maybe Obi-Wan could say to Yoda that everything is lost, and there can be no balance now. Yoda could say something to the effect that there still is a change for balance, and then have them discuss the fate of the twins, setting up that Luke will help his father to balance the Force. I don't really know if these changes in dialogue are possible though.

Random thought: would it be a good idea to put some Vader-shaped statues in Palpatine's office? I always imagined Vader's suit to have a bit more of a history behind it, but as it is, he just gets it slapped on. Palpatine has more Sith inspired art in his office, so it might be nice if the statues give us a clue at where Vader's suit comes from. Maybe it's ancient Sith armor or something like that.

Dude, I love your ideas.

I really like the idea too that tin TPM, we think the prophecy is just on the jedi side.

What if in AOTC it's tweaked so that Dooku tells Benobi the truth: it's also a sith prophecy?

That coupled with the offer to join him would indeed be a powerful combo.

If you are Gnostic gnosis means knowledge of spiritual mystery (revelation of hidden truth).

I don't know if it was mentioned before, but I was thinking about the Mace Vs. Palpatine scene in Episode III and I stumbled across this edit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_APMciyOg&feature=related

I personally found it to be quite impressive.