Could it be that Ady already had this in mind when he put the battle droid on the Sandcrawler in ANH:R? Just a thought :)
That may be very true, how else would a battle droid get on Tatooine? But the only thing that wouldn't make sense is that Dooku would want to go somewhere isolated.
Bingowings said:
shanerjedi said:
rcb said:
by tatooine-ish, do you mean more of what it looked like in the PT or in ady's Episodoe IV revisited when R2's in the canyons?
Like Star Wars: Revisited. Tatooine in the PT looks too much like Geonosis and vice-versa.
That's why in the Radical Prequel Redux thread I suggested merging them.
Giving Anakin a reason to come home and try to save his mother and the slaves he dreamed of releasing as a boy.
Tatooine the nowhere place was already blown by ROTJ and TPM.
Look where all the major wars keep happening on this planet (political faultlines) Tatooine being just outside the Republic and a bit of a dump would be the ideal place for the Seperatists to stage an attack on the Republic.
Having armies of battle droids marching about would live long enough in the memories of Mos Eisley residents to have droids banned from Cantinas.
The Jawas would make a mint clearing the battlefield, the Sandpeople would be mighty miffed with all their sacred lands being polluted by offworlders shooting the place up and the Empire would later install a corrupt gangster/warlord like Jabba to keep the shadey elements under control.
Shifting the colours from red to yellow wouldn't be too hard.
Talk for another place but it might be made to work.
Me personally i would take out the fact that anakins mom is a slave, well i would take any hint that either were slaves because the jedi didnt want to liberate the slaves from their masters. As confused matthew as pointed out many times, i do like the idea that Geonosis and Tatooine being merged together as a battle field is good.
If I was writing the script for epi. 2 i would of had Anakins mom wandering to pick the mushrooms that grow of the vaporators and she accidently stumbles across seperatists/battle droids. This wouldnt have to be seen, just Clegg Lars could still mention about her being taken but not by Sandpeople. He doesnt know where she has gone. Anakin could find her in a cave, as if she had been left there to die. This would make the whole scene with padme less stupid that she would fall for a mass murderer, he just angry at himself for not getting there in time to save her. Not really for this thread though lmao. I dont think jabba under the employ of the empire would work though to be honest. Jabba could hand in Luke to Vader if you were to go down that path, he knows he is a jedi knight, called skywalker. Would make the whole sarlacc scene a waste of jabbas time if he knew he could be paid for luke and clans lives.
There is a difference between being in the employ of the Empire and being positioned into power and maintained there by the Empire.
Saddam Hussein for one of many examples was positioned into power and maintained by America for decades as a bulwark against Iranian Theocratic Revolution.
That didn't stop him from doing his own thing, right up to the moment of his death.
If you want to think along more mythical lines think Herod Antipas in most adaptations of the Gospels.
His father was put on the throne by the Romans, his father's kingdom was split up and he received a throne during a period of instability and yet in the Biblical text he is shown toying with the Jesus and offers him freedom if he can perform a miracle.
When he doesn't get what he wants Herod throws him back to Pilate who would (in the text) rather set him free anyway but can't because Jesus has angered or dissappointed two local areas of government which are meant to be subjugated under the Empire Pilate represents.
Jabba is the sort of character that Frank Thring (heavens bless him) used to play.
I would say no to the merging of Geonosis and Tatooine, for the simple reason that i am sick to death of that damn planet. Out of the way yeah right. For a saga that takes palce over six movies, and an entire galaxy, we sure do see the same backwater planet a lot. Five movies feature Tatooine, that's ridiculous. I can understand Coruscant in the PT, it's the capital, but why the same desert planet over and over?
We need to more variety in the PT (I was shocked we actually went to Kashyak in ROTS, instead of back to the Forest Moon of Endor), so I say keep up those colour changing/correcting ideas people were having the Prequel Radical Redux thread for the likes of Geonosis.
But that's neither here nor there in this thread. On topic, would most people agree that not only must Jedi ROcks be gone and never heard of again, but that most of the creatures in Jabba's Palace need to go? I mean, blue elephants playing keyboards, that thing with lips on a stalk that sings the song? They just look ridiculous to me, and so far removed from the Cantina's brilliant array of creatures (on the same planet no less) that it's like we walked into a different movie.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave on another thread in regards to Tatooine.
The burlesque dance replacing the music number was all about removing the worst aspects of the Palace scenes, and fits in with Frank Thring view of Jabba.
As a decadent Sherazadian sultan having slaves, employees and entertainments from all across the galaxy makes sense but it would help to tone down the more cartoonish creations but pump up the bizarre and disturbing.
Think more David Lynch than Richard Marquand.
TheBoost said:
But the palace is what tells us the most about Jabba. All we know about him is that he's a crime boss at least high enough up the totem pole to have a bounty on Solo's head, and Han doesn't necessarily seem like a big time operator. That's all we know prior to ROTJ's opening.
I don't see where the argument that the palace is somehow inappropriate comes from, since 90% of what we learn about Jabba's character is from the palace he lives in.
I see your point, but if he wasn't that big of an operator, why would Han be more worried about paying Jabba back than getting caught by the Empire? If all he had to do was avoid Tatooine, he should have just stayed with the Rebellion that's willing to protect him from the stray bounty hunters.
Since I do see him as having influence beyond Tatooine, a sleazy little strip club in the middle of no where seems odd. You could go to Mos Eisley for that. I don't want CGI just for CGI. I do think that showing more money at least would make taking him out seem more impressive.
Side question: Looking at what I wrote, is inTERgalatic correct or is InTRAgalatic better?
"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination." – John Lennon
Seeing as all of the Star Wars films take place in "A galaxy far far away" intra makes more sense.
skye1083 said:
TheBoost said:
But the palace is what tells us the most about Jabba. All we know about him is that he's a crime boss at least high enough up the totem pole to have a bounty on Solo's head, and Han doesn't necessarily seem like a big time operator. That's all we know prior to ROTJ's opening.
I don't see where the argument that the palace is somehow inappropriate comes from, since 90% of what we learn about Jabba's character is from the palace he lives in.
I see your point, but if he wasn't that big of an operator, why would Han be more worried about paying Jabba back than getting caught by the Empire? If all he had to do was avoid Tatooine, he should have just stayed with the Rebellion that's willing to protect him from the stray bounty hunters.
Since I do see him as having influence beyond Tatooine, a sleazy little strip club in the middle of no where seems odd. You could go to Mos Eisley for that. I don't want CGI just for CGI. I do think that showing more money at least would make taking him out seem more impressive.
My point is not about Jabba's role in the galaxy or how big an operator he is. It's that his palace is his #1 defining feature.
"We need to change Jabba's palace since it doesn't fit his character" is what confuses me. Jabba's palace IS his character. He doesn't have soliliquey to explain himself. He has no love interest or character arc. What impression we get of Jabba is almost completely based on his palace. Changing the location changes the character.
"We need to change Luke's actions, dialog, motivations, and relationships since they don't fit his character" would be just as confusing to me.
Rendering the exterior better by building a model or making new mattes makes sense and altering what goes on there so it reflects more the character than the puppet and CGI fads of 1983 and 1997 also makes sense but generally I think you are right Boost.
He has a big building full of decadent and odd people from the seedy criminal underbelly of the galaxy and he is rich enough to afford it.
He has dungeons and death traps full of exotic beasts and a sail barge for taking joy rides into the dessert to feed his foes to the sand trout.
Couldn't it be possible to move Jabba's Palace somewhere else (another planet)? Change a few backgrounds and change a few lines and it could easily be pulled off.
I agree that Tatooine is overused.
Ghost said:
Couldn't it be possible to move Jabba's Palace somewhere else (another planet)? Change a few backgrounds and change a few lines and it could easily be pulled off.
I agree that Tatooine is overused.
Moving Jabba's Palace to another conveniently covered-in-sand planet would be pointless. Besides, we'd lose one of my favorite exchanges in the movie:
"I think my eyes are getting better. Instead of big dark blur, I see a big light blur."
"There's nothing to see. I used to live here, you know."
"You're gonna die here, you know. Convenient."
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doubleofive said:
"There's nothing to see. I used to live here, you know."
Luke is an idiot, just like his punk Dad. There is always something to see. I could go on for hours about sand....
It irritating and get's everywhere, you could describe both where it's got into and what it feels like much better than any protocol droid.
Ghost said:
Couldn't it be possible to move Jabba's Palace somewhere else (another planet)? Change a few backgrounds and change a few lines and it could easily be pulled off.
I agree that Tatooine is overused.
Jabba's Palace is fine in my eyes, I would like to see the barges outside somewhere, just so it reminded me of from tusk till dawn. Anyone seen that? well who hasnt seen it? lol. I liked how we saw just few cars outside, walk in and its all busy and music and dancing then boom all the crap happens. We need something silent on the outside and noisy inside.
Changing Jabba's home would totally throw the whole Han owes money to jabba thing out to a completely new planet. Sorry i just dont see it working. Changing the planet wouldn't do anything to make the film better. People already have problems with the prequels jumpin from one place to another. We know the dangers of Tatooine already because of the cantina being a rough place so when we approach the palace we must think as an audience. Oh my god the cantina was rough, now we really going into the belly of the beast.
teharri said:
I wonder if it were possible to change one of vader's line inb ROTJ. I think it would be cool to change vader's line from, " Obi-wan once thought as you do" to "Your mother once thought as you do". I know that Vader does not say "your mother" anywhere in the trilogy because I know that sound bite would never stop getting played. It is possible though to find someone who could do a good vader voice and dubb it since you do not have to worry about vader's mouth moving.
Also how about adding more ships to ROTJ space sequence like ady has done with ANH.
There is a option for this problem.
In episode 3 Vader said "Padme". I tried in a demo and it works....
"Padme once thought as you do"
Other Ideas for ROTJ:
In the version from 1983 Luke wink at the end of the movie to the ghosts of Obi-Wan, Anakin and Yoda. in The special edition this small scene is away :(
I think the ghost of Hayden should stay in the movie.
Maybe put the ghost of Qui-Gon in the last scene .. like the demo on YouTube :)
Yeah, but Luke (and the viewer if they're watching it in release order) will be thinking "What did he say? What's a padme?"
RoccondilRinon said:
Yeah, but Luke (and the viewer if they're watching it in release order) will be thinking "What did he say? What's a padme?"
True ... but for the hole movieexperience it works, imo :)
a "Mother" would be better ... i was looking for it but didnt found anything.... my greatest hope was The Lion King but no way :(
It doesn't, because not only will the viewer who started with ANH not know what he's talking about, Luke won't know what he's talking about either — he knew nothing at all about his mother. It becomes a continuity error.
We do appreciate your input, but this particular suggestion doesn't work unless we make a lot more changes that are probably neither feasible nor desirable.
I like the idea of Padme, but yes, at this point in the movie, Luke can only assume who Padme is. And besides, how could Padme think of Luke if she was already gone. Am I missing a possible edit idea. Also, how would DV know what she was thinking?
TiiN said:
RoccondilRinon said:
Yeah, but Luke (and the viewer if they're watching it in release order) will be thinking "What did he say? What's a padme?"
True ... but for the hole movieexperience it works, imo :)
a "Mother" would be better ... i was looking for it but didnt found anything.... my greatest hope was The Lion King but no way :(
I don't watch movies in a hole me.
DuTwan said:
I would like to see the barges outside somewhere, just so it reminded me of from tusk till dawn. Anyone seen that?
Is that some kind of sleep study of elephants? :p
Bingowings said:
TiiN said:
True ... but for the hole movieexperience it works, imo :)
a "Mother" would be better ... i was looking for it but didnt found anything.... my greatest hope was The Lion King but no way :(
I don't watch movies in a hole me.
Lol.
brash_stryker said:
DuTwan said:
I would like to see the barges outside somewhere, just so it reminded me of from tusk till dawn. Anyone seen that?Is that some kind of sleep study of elephants? :p
Lol again. Good times in this thread right now :-)
I think the "your mother once thought as you do" change would be an appropriate edit. At that point in the saga everything is coming full circle and Luke brings up his mother anyway earlier with Leia.
The line is in reference to there still being good in Vader - which are Padme's dying words.
I just don't know if it could be done well enough. There has to be a JEJ movie where he says "mother" that can be worked with.....that's where we need to start.
DF Shadow said:
I think the "your mother once thought as you do" change would be an appropriate edit. At that point in the saga everything is coming full circle and Luke brings up his mother anyway earlier with Leia.
The line is in reference to there still being good in Vader - which are Padme's dying words.
I just don't know if it could be done well enough. There has to be a JEJ movie where he says "mother" that can be worked with.....that's where we need to start.
I dont have it on me, but perhaps during his last monolog in 'Conan The Barbarian?'
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