Those droids give me the jitters.
Surely Lucas should have contrasted Vader being born from machinery with Padme giving birth with real people.
I like the idea of not refering to the twins but after Luke's birth having Padme still screaming and dies after an unamed baby is born.
Not showing Bail giving the other to his wife.
The other should be a bit of a mystery ROTJ has very few surprises.
It should all be a mystery. We shouldn't know that Anakin's last name is skywalker and we shouldn't know Padme is pregnant, let alone know she gives birth.
Just my humble opinion. I believe it's doable :)
Having Anakin refered to by his first name at all times makes sense (we don't learn it until the secret is out in ROTJ) but unless someone takes the scissors to Obi-Wan's "a pupil of mine until he turned to evil" it's almost impossible to fix the whole thing.
Padme being pregnant, well you can't around that one unless you show Mace or Yoda with a lady in the family way and Luke just hasn't got the ears for either to be viable red herrings.
Obi-Wan's only other long term Jedi pal is Qui-Gon and he isn't around long enough to father Luke, though he does get killed by a Dark Lord.
Oh these prequels are such a mess!
So if the name Skywalker is erased from the prequels, what reason do we have to follow Anakin for three movies? I don't think there is enough material to make it about Obiwan.
I don't suppose we could make Jar Jar Obiwan's "fallen disciple"? (kidding! unless you know how to make it work...)
So what is it that these movies absolutely must have to work?
"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination." – John Lennon
A hero's journey?
Bingowings said:
That's why in the Radical Prequel Redux thread I suggested merging them.
curses! i thought of that too! i was playing around with extra dooku dialogue from the clone wars movie (which was christopher lee too). there is a great line he uses when he fights on tatooine with anakin,
(line mixed with AOTC footage)
the movie also provides a tiny bit of dooku-jabba dialogue....should someone like that idea.;)
Hey guys i know Bingowings has always desired to have Geonosis and Tatooine as one planet so i thought of a different scene.
ANAKIN: I'm Anakin Skywalker.
OWEN: Owen Lars. This is my girlfriend, Beru.
BERU: Hello.
PADMÉ: I'm Padmé.
OWEN: I guess I'm your stepbrother. I had a feeling you
might show up some day.
ANAKIN: Is my mother here?
CLIEGG: No, she's not.
CLIEGG LARS swings from the house on a small floating
chair. One of his legs is heavily bandaged; the other is
missing. He balances awkwardly and puts out a hand.
CLIEGG: Cliegg Lars. Shmi is my wife... Come on inside. We
have a lot to talk about...
INTERIOR: TATOOINE, HOMESTEAD, KITCHEN - LATE DAY
BERU puts several steaming cups of ardees on a tray and
exits the kitchen...
CLIEGG: (O.S.) It was just before dawn. They came out of
nowhere.
INTERIOR: TATOOINE, HOMESTEAD, DINING AREA - LATE DAY
CLIEGG, OWEN, PADMÉ and ANAKIN sit around the table, BERU
brings the drinks in from the kitchen.
CLIEGG: Your mother had gone out early, like she always
did, to pick mushrooms that grow on the vaporators. From
the tracks, she was about halfway home when they took her.
They're vicious, mindless
monsters. Thirty of us went out after her. Four of us came
back. I'd be with them, only... after I lost my leg I just
couldn't ride any more... until I heal.
CLIEGG grimaces, easing his throbbing leg.
CLIEGG: I don't want to
give up on her, but she's been gone a ....there's little
hope she's lasted this long.
Silence. Then ANAKIN stands up.
OWEN: Where are you going?
ANAKIN: To find my mother.
PADMÉ: No, Annie!
CLIEGG: Your mother's dead, son. Accept it.
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INTERIOR: TUSKEN RAIDER HUT - NIGHT
A shaft of moonlight from a hole in the roof pierces the
gloom of the hut. By its light, ANAKIN sees SHMI hanging
from a wooden frame in the middle of the cave/pit.
He cuts her free, takes her into his arms, and lowers her
gently to the ground. Her eyes are closed. Her face is
bloodied. She had been terribly beaten. ANAKIN cradles her
tenderly.
ANAKIN: Mom... Mom... Mom...
SHMI'S eyelids flutter - and barely open. They are caked
with blood.
SHMI: Annie...? Is it you...?
SHMI'S eyes focus slowly. ANAKIN gives a little choking
gasp.
ANAKIN: I'm here, Mom. You're safe. Hang on. I'm going to
get you out of here...
SHMI: Annie? Annie? You look so handsome. My son... my
grown-up son. I'm so proud of you, Annie... so proud... I
missed you so much... Now... I am complete.
ANAKIN: Just stay with me, Mom. I'm going to make you well
again. Everything's... going to be fine.
SHMI: I love...
SHMI dies. ANAKIN draws her to his breast. There is silence
for a moment. ANAKIN lifts his head, listening for a
moment, then he sits on the floor of the Tusken hut,
cradling his dead mother in his arms.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
INTERIOR: TATOOINE, HOMESTEAD, GARAGE - DAY
PADMÉ comes in with a tray of food. ANAKIN is standing at a
workbench, repairing a part of the speeder bike.
PADMÉ: I brought you something. Are you hungry?
PADMÉ puts the tray down.
ANAKIN: The shifter broke. Life seems so much simpler when
you're fixing things. I'm good at fixing things... always
was. But I couldn't... (stops working, tears in his eyes)
Why did she have to die? Why couldn't I save her? I know I
could have!
PADMÉ: Sometimes there are things no one can fix. You're
not all-powerful, Annie.
ANAKIN turns and walks away from the bench.
ANAKIN: (angry) I should be! Someday I will be... I will be
the most powerful Jedi ever! I promise you, I will even
learn to stop people from dying.
PADMÉ: Anakin...
ANAKIN hurls the wrench across the garage. It CLATTERS to
the floor. He looks at his trembling hands. PADMÉ stares at
him, shocked.
ANAKIN focuses on her like someone returning from far away.
PADMÉ: To be angry is to be human.
ANAKIN: No, I'm a Jedi. I know I'm better than this.
PADMÉ rocks him, and ANAKIN weeps.
EXTERIOR: TATOOINE, HOMESTEAD, GRAVESITE - DAY
ANAKIN, PADMÉ, CLIEGG, OWEN, BERU, and THREEPIO are
standing around Shmi's grave. Two other headstones, one
smaller than the other, stand in the blazing suns.
CLIEGG: I know wherever you are it's become a better place.
You were the most loving partner a man could ever have.
Goodbye, my dearest wife. And thank you.
Brief pause. ANAKIN steps forward and kneels at his
mother's grave. He picks up a handful of sand.
Silence. Then BEEPS and WHISTLES are heard. They turn as
ARTOO rolls up.
PADMÉ: Artoo, what are you doing here?
ARTOO BEEPS and WHISTLES.
Protocol Droid: It seems that he is carrying a message from an Obi-
Wan Kenobi. Master Annie, does that name mean anything to
you?
Not only does it make Tatooine even more prominent than it should be (random backwater planet, yet almost every film goes there), but it just makes it too much of a coincidence that Anakin and Padme just happened to have to go to the same planet Obi-Wan has tracked the Separatists to.
I mean, there's millions upon millions of planets in the galaxy, yet the saga keeps getting dragged to the same one, it makes the scope of the story seem compact, and tiny.
P.S. There's been a lot, for various fanedits, but I think a list of all the possible new names for the PT episodes would be helpful for future faneditors. I don't mind ROTS too much, but AOTC for sure just doesn't cut it, it's a terrible and inaccurate title, TPM I'm ambivalent towards.
If Watto was redubbed he could explain that the Hutts have been driven off world and the market flooded with droids making slaves too expensive to keep.
By removing the Seperatists from Tatooine the Republic could have create the situation where the Hutts and slavery could return making the Hutts grateful enough to the Republic and later the Empire to not get in their way but remain free agents.
As the Empire blaimed the war on the Jedi, Jabba would have a special dislike of Jedi.
Anakin's mother could be dragged off for arena entertainment and uncover her and Obi-Wan's capture around the same time.
I always thought it odd that Anakin goes from being a child murdering vengeful broken man spitting curses at Obi-Wan to going back to cracking jokes and rescuing Obi-Wan to being frantic about Padme falling out of the dropship and leaping in to fight Dooku.
If somehow finding captured humans during the investigation of the Seperatist camp could be dropped in between not only would Anakin be furious about the death of Jedi in the arena but he would also be enraged by the man responsible for his mother's death and possibly Padme too.
His emotional pain that Yoda picks up on could guide Yoda to him and prevent the fight with Dooku resulting in Obi-Wan and Anakin's death.
It's important for Palpatine that Anakin turns and if he could make that happen via the same mechanism he starts his fake war, so much the better.
Anakin spends a lot of time slicing up Geonosians something Padme would understand and not recoil from like the massacre of innocent children.
It's hard to put her horror of the killing of the Younglings into ROTS when it's a pre-existing pattern she signed a marriage contract with.
ROTJ and TPM have already blown the idea of Tatooine being a nowhere place.
To the Romans Judea was a nowhere place but centuries on people are still blowing up people all over the globe because of the attachment to that piece of desert.
If Hoth had turned up in ROTJ and TPM it too would cease to be a nowhere place.
Tatooine is the most important planet in the story already, far more important than Coruscant or even Naboo which get similar screen times because of it's importance to the OT making a story as simple as possible often leads to a stronger story.
When most people think about WWI they think of trench warfare in continental Europe and forget the middle east yet Lawrence Of Arabia is none the less one of the most impactful pieces of cinema covering that period.
Ithilgore said:
I mean, there's millions upon millions of planets in the galaxy, yet the saga keeps getting dragged to the same one, it makes the scope of the story seem compact, and tiny.
I like the concept of Geonosis be like Vjun. the architecture matches in general lines and i like the idea of more colors and enhance the landscape with acid lakes or or or...
And that is a try to make Geonosis like a retrofuture wild west Bravestarr style.
-Angel
It would be kind of fun to have cyborg Vader's birth even more like Universal's Frankenstein.
His hover gurney could be lowered into a pit filled with mechanical droids and bizarre electrical equipment and he could be raised back up for his awakening.
The hover gurney is very reminiscent of Han in Carbonite so the lowering of what is left of Anakin into a pit (a descent into hell) and rising back up a fully formed monster creates a metaphor of the good man frozen in metal which bounces back to ESB where the revelation of Vader's identity is revealed and his own personal thawing process begins.
I was tinkering with this scene from AOTC.... This was inspired by an Angel mockup.
Bingowings said:
ROTJ and TPM have already blown the idea of Tatooine being a nowhere place.
There's a difference between the plot of a movie taking characters to an out of the way location, and that location being given major prominence in galactic history.
The ROTJ Tatooine trip actually made a little sense, considering the fact that we first meet Han there in ANH and are concurrently informed of the price on his head. It's not a huge stretch of logic to see Jabba as connected with Tatooine, particularly if you grant the SE Jabba scene as authentic. Add to that the fact that Fett delivers Han to Jabba, and you've got a nice little coincidence in the appearance of this "backwater" planet twice in the trilogy, but by no means an unbelievable or overly "convenient" one.
PT Tatooine superfluousness, on the other hand, just stretches credulity to the breaking point.
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The Sifo Dias mystery was something I didn't get until about my third time watching the movie. I first thought that Qui-Gon was Sifo Dias. I think Sifo Dias should of been Count Dooku. It would make it less confusing. It doesn't make sense because there is really no backstory to this Sifo Dias fellow. Why he would call for an army makes no sense.
TheBoost said:
Bingowings said:
ROTJ and TPM have already blown the idea of Tatooine being a nowhere place.
There's a difference between the plot of a movie taking characters to an out of the way location, and that location being given major prominence in galactic history.
As the childhood home of both Vader and Luke it's already quite prominent in galactic history.
But what we see in Star Wars isn't a league table of Galactic prominence, that would be the historians of their Galaxy to decide over.
It's about where the story is set and in six films that can only take place on a few worlds.
Take any space opera with a galactic setting and count how many worlds we actually see in the same amount of screen time.
Romulus didn't even turn up in a Star Trek film until Nemesis, Qo'noS never did (I don't think it ever got a direct mention) because neither were important to the stories that were being told but both a very important to the history of that fictional version of our galaxy.
A change of location should only happen if it serves the story in some way.
TPM already suffers from too much hopping about.
AOTC and ROTS refuse to address much of what was set up in TPM and AOTC sets it's own set of dangling threads.
Ghost said:
The Sifo Dias mystery was something I didn't get until about my third time watching the movie. I first thought that Qui-Gon was Sifo Dias. I think Sifo Dias should of been Count Dooku. It would make it less confusing. It doesn't make sense because there is really no backstory to this Sifo Dias fellow. Why he would call for an army makes no sense.
Yeah, I STILL don't know where Lucas was going with that sub plot...? Was it Sidious who ordered them?
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Apparently it was originally Sido Dyas (geddit?) Lucas claimed he's explain it later but in true Doctor Who fashion he never bothered.
Haha... Did anyone see my link?
mrbenja0618 said:
Haha... Did anyone see my link?
Yes, that's why I brought it up.
I think I meant more on the effects. =) No biggie though.
mrbenja0618 said:
Haha... Did anyone see my link?
Maybe this will help:
mrbenja0618 said:
I was tinkering with this scene from AOTC.... This was inspired by an Angel mockup.
Look, just above this text, it's a link. If you click it, it will take you somewhere else.
You're welcome.
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mrbenja0618 said:
I was tinkering with this scene from AOTC.... This was inspired by an Angel mockup.
Definantly adds some great mood to the scene! :D
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