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corellian77 said:

Angel, that is a very nice mock-up.  I wasn't sure if I liked it at first, but the more I see it the more I like it; it might be something worth considering for Ady to incorporate.  However, the "inconsistency" of Yoda moving from the ground to the rock is a bit more of a bother to be honest... although I'm not sure what could be done to "fix" that.  I guess one could simply assume he moved between scenes.

Yeah, things can happen offscreen in cinema. i understand the visual inconsistency, but it's not a huge deal to me.

I do like the mock up a lot. It doesn't look as enclosed or "set-bound" as the original, much as I love that.

vaderios said:

Loving those mutant trees Angel ;-)

The whole scene seems to open up with that lighting.

Shurley, thats impossible to impliment though.

vaderios said:

Ady I got one more error if you dont know it already.

Anyways

 I dont mind that yoda actually sits in the rock in the next shot(less is more) but at least add the blue bag in the previous shot ;)

 

-Angel

Yeah, this is a tricky one due to the 'brief' timing involved between the shots.  Personally, I can live with it, and won't be too bothered if Adywan has to leave things as they are....because thanks to the Prequels (ironically), I've been able to account for it like this to myself since then, lol -

The thing is, although Yoda is still inside the blue sack when Luke puts him down at that point during the start of that shot shown in your left-hand screenshot....the 'camera' then continues to 'pan around' to the RIGHT, away from Yoda, as it follows Luke coming towards us to retrieve his tunic (seen in 'close-up' on the right-hand side of your shot) that's hanging on the tree root.  

This needs to be seen in 'motion' of course....but due to this 'pan away' from Yoda, he ends up offscreen for approx. 2 seconds....which, given his amazing Prequel-demonstrated 'agility', means it isn't too much of a leap for me to 'imagine' that the little frog has just very speedily hopped out of the sack and onto the top log, taking his sack with him....during this 2 'offscreen' seconds before we cut to the next shot! 

I know he's elderly and all that, but since he can still levitate heavy X-wings, I reckon the little guy can therefore still manage the odd briefest spurt of 'force-speed' too....considering he's been carried around by Luke all day at this point....  :)

Perhaps if Adywan likes this idea enough, he can even add a 'subtle movement' to a portion of the open sack at the very start of the shot? 

This would help to really 'sell' the impression that Yoda's only just finished placing the sack down beside him (within the last 2 seconds offscreen), to indicate the merest moment that it is just finishing to 'settle down'....since he took up his new position moments ago during the very end of the preceding shot.

Well, I'm tryin' here.  ;)

corellian77 said:

However, the "inconsistency" of Yoda moving from the ground to the rock is a bit more of a bother to be honest... although I'm not sure what could be done to "fix" that.  I guess one could simply assume he moved between scenes.

Just to say, that I hope to have a few thoughts about that very point sometime, now that it's been raised again.  :)

In fact there are a couple of other things that I hope to go into sometime soon to do with that shot and others that are 'interlinked' to that very spot (that Adywan should thankfully be able to tweak reasonably easily, if I'm right about them)....but I'll need to organise the screenshots sometime.

However, at the moment, I'm actually already in the middle of working poor doubleofive to the bone with several other things that I'm hoping to put to Adywan shortly.  So this one will have to wait, but I'll get round to letting doubleofive know what I need at some point, when I get the time.

correllian77 -  you mean he didn't have a 'sudden burst' of 'energy' at that point, after all?....

Neat, I'll look forward to your solution then.  :)

vaderios said:

Well with my version you get more visible detail, better mood, sense of scale( jungle always wins) and light behavior.

 

-Angel

Yet another interesting speculation here vaderios.  You sure are imaginative when it comes to playing about with 'lighting' possibilities in your shots, and your latest Cloud City one looks very nice indeed. 

One of the things I'm most looking forward to, is to see Adywan's various SKIES/CLOUD improvements for 'ESB:R'....because from what we've been shown so far, they're going to make a huge difference overall.  :)

Back to Dagobah -

This particular shot above, was always a favourite of mine in the Dagobah scenes, especially when combined with the magical score that builds at this point.  Of course, it's been ruined in the 2004 release due to the dreadful re-colouration....which is a pity, as I was pleased to see the big improvements to the dated and obvious matte 'joins' that were seen in the GOUT, and the fact that a very subtle shadow had been added under the X-Wing too.

The point I want to suggest, is that I reckon the 're-colouration' on the 2004 version of this particular shot is now SO poor, and dark when compared to how the GOUT's richer colour looked....that I'm sure that when Adywan just 'colour corrects' it to his usual standards, that it will come to life a little more, and look far better than it currently does....and will fit in fine with the OVERALL, atmosperic, 'gloom factor' that the rest of the MIST-shrouded, 'studio-bound' shots generate.  The background and 'mist' effect also comes across better in 'motion'.

Your shot looks nice of course, but is it too 'brightly'-lit when seen in the context of the rest of the shots that come before and after it in the movie?  I just don't think the whole 'feel' of the other Dagobah shots taken as a whole, allow for so much 'brightness' as you've shown in your 'opened up' example here.  I prefer the 'gloomy', densely-packed treeline/root system that seems to make up Dagobah, as shown in the background of the 'wider, more open' views such as this one and when Luke has just crashed. 

Hopefully, the eventual 'colour corrected' 2004 shot will end up looking up looking a little 'brighter' than it currently does now....but I reckon your higher 'brightness' level would be jarring, compared to the rest of the very 'misty' feel that is there in all the other shots.  Although the look of the 'mist' that is seen in the distance of these 2004 and GOUT shots seem to be different too....the 'mist effects' in both of them have a murky, 'hanging in the air' appearance to them. 

So the 'layout' of the 'mist'-shrouded 2004 replacement background still matches well with the 'feel' of the other shots overall, I'd say....but will look even better in it's 'colour corrected' form. 

I think the light idea would work.  The important thing would be to make the background look real.  Make it so you can see 500 yards or so back.  Mabey take out a couple trees and have more deception to the shot.  Taking out a couple trees would let more light in to.

vaderios said:

ImperialFighter said:

I prefer the 'gloomy', densely-packed treeline/root system that seems to make up Dagobah, as shown in the background of the 'wider, more open' views such as this one and when Luke has just crashed. 

how about this?

More ESB like ;)

 

-Angel

I like it. I also have no idea how you put together those concept pics, because the detail is astounding.

That looks awesome, great detail.  It actually feels like they are on Dagobah, not on set.  Great work.   

vaderios said:

 

Also that light rays appears in the next shots so its handy and adds depth and variation.

 

At least now in a way you can spot yoda :P

 Hmmm, I don't really see the shots that follow it, as having lots of 'brightness' coming through the treeline at this point either.  I just see more 'misty' gloom, lol.

But who knows, perhaps Adywan will be adding more obvious 'shafts of light' to lots of these shots, to 'open' things up, for all I know. 

And yes, I noticed your 'lit-up' Yoda.  :)  But is he actually in the right spot at this point??  That's for another day though. 

Oh, and I've come across an interesting wrong-way-round, 'flipped' shot today that I've never noticed before, but I want to go into that another day too.  I'm wondering how many here didn't notice this one either?.... 

vaderios -  just noticed your amazing new version.  Now that's EXACTLY the kind of 'brightness' I'd love to see.  That shot is surely shot on Dagobah itself now!  Excellent look there, that's terrific work.  :)

vaderios said:

ImperialFighter said:

Oh, and I've come across an interesting wrong-way-round, 'flipped' shot today that I've never noticed before, but I want to go into that another day too.

No NO!

I want to know it NOW! :D

-Angel

Yah, really.  Lets hear it.

adywan said:

ok, well no real updates but things are going really well on the CG front. I'm taking a break from the edit and building stuff because we've got a halloween party next week so i need to get everything ready for that. Here's a couple of pics of the models i have made for it. All this cost less than £20 altogether to make. It's all made from cardboard, toilet paper and PVA glue, with some gel blood.

  

If only you could see to the right of the picture. I had to quickly crop it because you could see the Wampa.

Yeah....if only, lol!

Last one from me for now, as I need to get some sleep tonight!! 

Adywan -  a little off-topic, but me and the missus are big 'Halloween' fans also, and it's always an excuse for yet another party here with some of our boozing buddies after our brats and their mates have been attended to.  I'm on a break this week, so will hopefully get a chance to knock up something cheap n' cheeful for my 2 boys, to add to the atmosphere too, over the next couple of days....   :)

Anyway, I remember coming across some previous work of yours in photos that were posted somewhere, and have no doubt that your eventual Wampa will end up looking great for the purposes of your edit.  I seem to recall you previously cobbled together a neat full-size 'E.T' and 'Zombie' shop display, and would really like to see them again if you're able to show any photos of them here sometime? 

Okay, the main reason for this post was to mention my 2 favourite 'Halloween'-related sites at the moment.  Both are great for sheer inspiration! -

1.  www.extremepumpkins.com   (lol, check out some of the previous winning entries too!)

2.  www.bobburnshollywoodhalloween.com   (now THIS guy loved Halloween!  Some terrific material here)

 Carry on everyone.

corellian77 said:

Here's a sample clip of how the scene with Yoda, just before Luke enters the tree, could be re-edited so as to allow Yoda more time to move from the ground to the fallen tree stump.

It's pretty rough, but it conveys the general idea.  My apologies for the screwed-up aspect ratio as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXExUBSalk

Of course!!  That's terrific corellian77, and I think that's a great solution....which actually adds a little 'something'.

It was so good to see that scene play out without being jarring!  If Adywan ends up doing something like that, then I'd be more than happy.  It certainly gets my vote.

Nice one.  :)

corellian77 said:

Here's a sample clip of how the scene with Yoda, just before Luke enters the tree, could be re-edited so as to allow Yoda more time to move from the ground to the fallen tree stump.

It's pretty rough, but it conveys the general idea.  My apologies for the screwed-up aspect ratio as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXExUBSalk

 Yeah that was very good!