Ithilgore said:
Rather than removing the wedding, I would say just make it so that their marriage neither a scecret nor frowned upon. I mean, in ROTS they live in the same house, yet the Jedi don't seem to notice they're a couple? It just makes them look like morons.
So love has blinded them?
whats wrong with the wedding scene? only 1 man and two droids whitness the event. Also it is a beautiful scene.
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JasonN said:
Darth Venal said:
Written proof that you have no idea what I'm talking about. That sounds like first year film student talk. Let's leave this one right here, shall we?
I do understand what it is you'd like Dooku to be, sincerely I do. But I think you're either being hopelessly optimistic about what the plot can support or what you can achieve as fan editors.
It's kinda hard not to be hopelessly optimistic about achieving such a thing when I already proved that such a plot and character edit can be pulled off effectively!!!
Seriously, dude, you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. I'll say it again: go and watch a fanedit first and then decided whether or not the changes/edits works before you say that such edits are garbage, because otherwise you sound like a stubborn, narrow-minded purist.
When was this?
shanerjedi said:
When was this?
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/SW-ATTACK-OF-THE-FEDERATION-TWILIGHT-OF-THE-REPUBLIC-THE-BLACK-KNIGHT-RISES-DVD-5-DVD-9-VERSIONS-NOW-AVAILABLE/topic/10114/
JasonN said:
shanerjedi said:
When was this?
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/SW-ATTACK-OF-THE-FEDERATION-TWILIGHT-OF-THE-REPUBLIC-THE-BLACK-KNIGHT-RISES-DVD-5-DVD-9-VERSIONS-NOW-AVAILABLE/topic/10114/
Thx. If you had the Jocasta Nu deleted scenes with Obi-Wan, that would go a long way to strengthening that version of the Dooku character.
shanerjedi said:
Thx. If you had the Jocasta Nu deleted scenes with Obi-Wan, that would go a long way to strengthening that version of the Dooku character.
I'm unfamilar with that deleted scene - what is it about?
Yeah, where are people finding these deleted scenes? Are there more that weren't on the DVD?
mrbenja0618 said:
Yeah, where are people finding these deleted scenes? Are there more that weren't on the DVD?
The scene was about the Lost 20 and went into description about Dooku's character. They shot it but it was cut. And yes, there are many scenes from all 3 prequels that were shot but cut that have yet to see the light of day.
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
Yeah, where are people finding these deleted scenes? Are there more that weren't on the DVD?
The scene was about the Lost 20 and went into description about Dooku's character. They shot it but it was cut. And yes, there are many scenes from all 3 prequels that were shot but cut that have yet to see the light of day.
Oh, I think I remember reading about that scene in the "Secret History of Star Wars" - it's the one which reveals that Dooku was one of the only Jedi to ever leave the Order, right? Yeah, that would've been a great scene for my Twilight of the Republic edit.
I'm just amazed at Lucas... All that stuff, and it didn't click to him that it would be more interesting for Dooku to be rogue, and not necessarily evil? What an amazingly wasted opportunity.
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JasonN said:
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
Yeah, where are people finding these deleted scenes? Are there more that weren't on the DVD?
The scene was about the Lost 20 and went into description about Dooku's character. They shot it but it was cut. And yes, there are many scenes from all 3 prequels that were shot but cut that have yet to see the light of day.
Oh, I think I remember reading about that scene in the "Secret History of Star Wars" - it's the one which reveals that Dooku was one of the only Jedi to ever leave the Order, right? Yeah, that would've been a great scene for my Twilight of the Republic edit.
Yes, it goes into Jocasta telling Obi-Wan how Dooku was like his own Master Qui-Gon, a political idealist. I tell you, that would help the "Jedi gone rogue" approach immensely.
Nevermind. I found it.
shanerjedi said:
JasonN said:
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
Yeah, where are people finding these deleted scenes? Are there more that weren't on the DVD?
The scene was about the Lost 20 and went into description about Dooku's character. They shot it but it was cut. And yes, there are many scenes from all 3 prequels that were shot but cut that have yet to see the light of day.
Oh, I think I remember reading about that scene in the "Secret History of Star Wars" - it's the one which reveals that Dooku was one of the only Jedi to ever leave the Order, right? Yeah, that would've been a great scene for my Twilight of the Republic edit.
Yes, it goes into Jocasta telling Obi-Wan how Dooku was like his own Master Qui-Gon, a political idealist. I tell you, that would help the "Jedi gone rogue" approach immensely.
Anyone for reshoots!?!
With some editing, would it be possible to show the Clone War ground battles to start ROTS? GL considered the idea, but I don't know why he didn't do it.
Ghost said:
With some editing, would it be possible to show the Clone War ground battles to start ROTS? GL considered the idea, but I don't know why he didn't do it.
Presumably because we already saw a ground battle at the end of AOTC, and he wanted a space battle isntead, to be less repetitive (not that he's exactly adverse to that).
Ithilgore said:
Ghost said:
With some editing, would it be possible to show the Clone War ground battles to start ROTS? GL considered the idea, but I don't know why he didn't do it.
Presumably because we already saw a ground battle at the end of AOTC, and he wanted a space battle isntead, to be less repetitive (not that he's exactly adverse to that).
If we didn't have the space battle at the start of Episode III, there wouldn't be one in the final movie. There's already an excess of ground battle scenes later on, the last thing it needs is more.
I don't hate the wedding scene. Lake Como is very pretty. I trying to think of ways to give it a more ambiguous ending. You know, give the star wars virgin us a reason other than "Can we see Vader now? Please?" for watching RotS.
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It might work if in the scene where Dooku talks to Sidious at the end of AOTC Dooku was replaced by Grievous.
He is the Seperatist General so having him turn up at the end to proclaim the start of the war could create a mystery about the new character and make us start to question if Dooku really is in charge after all.
It would be an interesting twist if Dooku doesn't know that Palpatine is the Sith Lord until the moment he orders Anakin to kill him.
Bingowings said:
It might work if in the scene where Dooku talks to Sidious at the end of AOTC Dooku was replaced by Grievous.
He is the Seperatist General so having him turn up at the end to proclaim the start of the war could create a mystery about the new character and make us start to question if Dooku really is in charge after all.
It would be an interesting twist if Dooku doesn't know that Palpatine is the Sith Lord until the moment he orders Anakin to kill him.
I can almost see that being done.... but only by using footage from ROTS when he's talking to Sidious on the hologram. You could easily take Palpy's lines from AOTC and insert them there, but we would need Grievous saying "The war has begun!" We don't have that sentence at the moment... If I could get someone to do his voice saying that, I could totally make that work.
Here's the dialogue for The Lost 20 scene I was talking about yesterday:
Obi-Wan stares at the bust of Count Dooku.
Jocasta Nu: He has a powerful face doesn't he? He was one of the most brilliant jedi I have had the privilege of knowing.
Obi-Wan: I never understood why he quit. Only twenty jedi have ever left the order.
Jocasta Nu: The Lost 20. Count Dooku was the most recent and the most painful. No one likes to talk about it. His leaving was a great loss to the order.
Obi-Wan: What happened?
Jocasta Nu: Well, Count Dooku was always a bit out of step with the decisions of the council. Much like your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.
Obi-Wan: really?
Jocasta Nu: Oh yes. They were alike in many ways. Very individual thinkers and idealists. he was always striving to become a more powerful jedi. he wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge of the force was....unique. In the end, I think he left because he lost faith in the republic. He believed that politics were corrupt, and he felt the jedi betrayed themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the separatist movement.
Obi-Wan: It's very interesting. I'm not sure I completely understand.
Jocasta Nu: Well I'm sure you didn't call me over here for a history lesson. Are you having a problem, Master Kenobi?
I bold that last line because that's in the released cut at the start of the archives scene. But they shot the whole scene entirely, including all the dialogue I wrote. Now, this is a perfect setup for a "rogue" Dooku.
God, more clunking exposition. Might as well just stick it in the crawl.
Darth Venal said:
God, more clunking exposition. Might as well just stick it in the crawl.
Hey, it beats another JC meeting!
shanerjedi said:
Here's the dialogue for The Lost 20 scene I was talking about yesterday:
Obi-Wan stares at the bust of Count Dooku.
Jocasta Nu: He has a powerful face doesn't he? He was one of the most brilliant jedi I have had the privilege of knowing.
Obi-Wan: I never understood why he quit. Only twenty jedi have ever left the order.
Jocasta Nu: The Lost 20. Count Dooku was the most recent and the most painful. No one likes to talk about it. His leaving was a great loss to the order.
Obi-Wan: What happened?
Jocasta Nu: Well, Count Dooku was always a bit out of step with the decisions of the council. Much like your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.
Obi-Wan: really?
Jocasta Nu: Oh yes. They were alike in many ways. Very individual thinkers and idealists. he was always striving to become a more powerful jedi. he wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge of the force was....unique. In the end, I think he left because he lost faith in the republic. He believed that politics were corrupt, and he felt the jedi betrayed themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the separatist movement.
Obi-Wan: It's very interesting. I'm not sure I completely understand.
Jocasta Nu: Well I'm sure you didn't call me over here for a history lesson. Are you having a problem, Master Kenobi?
I bold that last line because that's in the released cut at the start of the archives scene. But they shot the whole scene entirely, including all the dialogue I wrote. Now, this is a perfect setup for a "rogue" Dooku.
Now that I read that whole thing, the last line, the one that stayed sounds like there was more before... Like she was in mid-sentence almost... What a great scene that could have been!
shanerjedi said:
Here's the dialogue for The Lost 20 scene I was talking about yesterday:
Obi-Wan stares at the bust of Count Dooku.
Jocasta Nu: He has a powerful face doesn't he? He was one of the most brilliant jedi I have had the privilege of knowing.
Obi-Wan: I never understood why he quit. Only twenty jedi have ever left the order.
Jocasta Nu: The Lost 20. Count Dooku was the most recent and the most painful. No one likes to talk about it. His leaving was a great loss to the order.
Obi-Wan: What happened?
Jocasta Nu: Well, Count Dooku was always a bit out of step with the decisions of the council. Much like your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.
Obi-Wan: really?
Jocasta Nu: Oh yes. They were alike in many ways. Very individual thinkers and idealists. he was always striving to become a more powerful jedi. he wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge of the force was....unique. In the end, I think he left because he lost faith in the republic. He believed that politics were corrupt, and he felt the jedi betrayed themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the separatist movement.
Obi-Wan: It's very interesting. I'm not sure I completely understand.
Jocasta Nu: Well I'm sure you didn't call me over here for a history lesson. Are you having a problem, Master Kenobi?
Man, that seen would have added layers of depth, meaning, and interest to the film. No wonder Lucas cut it.