I always felt that Obi-Wan sacrificed himself partially because he knew that Luke would not leave without him.
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AxiaEuxine said:
I always felt that Obi-Wan sacrificed himself partially because he knew that Luke would not leave without him.
That's a very good point. More of Ben doing what's necessary.
Mielr said:
bkev said:
Didn't Alec Guinness convince Lucas to kill off Obi-Wan because he couldn't stand the dialogue? I remember reading that SOMEWHERE...
I heard the exact opposite- that Guinness was so upset that the script was changed and his character was being killed off that he nearly quit the film. Lucas had to talk him down and explain the reasons that Ben's death would benefit the film, and he finally convinced Guinness to go on.
This is what that awesome Making of Star Wars released recently said.
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Yeah, I've heard both: that Guiness wanted it to happen, and that Guiness hated it happening, so I really don't know which is true either.
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doubleofive said:
Mielr said:bkev said:
Didn't Alec Guinness convince Lucas to kill off Obi-Wan because he couldn't stand the dialogue? I remember reading that SOMEWHERE...
I heard the exact opposite- that Guinness was so upset that the script was changed and his character was being killed off that he nearly quit the film. Lucas had to talk him down and explain the reasons that Ben's death would benefit the film, and he finally convinced Guinness to go on.
This is what that awesome Making of Star Wars released recently said.
This makes Vader seem more like a demonic presence, and also serves to prove Obi-Wan a far wiser man. Vader plays right into Ben's hands and thus the Falcon escapes. What is confusing is exactly when someone had the idea to plant a tracking device on the ship. They never found anyone on it, and it was only later that Han, Leia, Luke, and Chewie were fighting on other levels. Only Vader suspected Ben of being on board. He and Tarkin argue over it and suddenly after the Falcon leaves theres suddenly a magical tracking device!!
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Interesting point about the tracking device. Hell, it's been pointed out in discussion before how Leia was pretty damned stupid to lead the Empire straight to the Rebel Base immediately after lying (with her home planet and the lives of billions at stake) about its location. So I guess that whole scenario could have been thought through a little more. But I guess there was time between their discovery in the detention block to the time they got back. Tarkin and Vader are even alerted that there is a disturbance in the detention block, to which Vader replies, "Obi-Wan is here!" and then leaves the room. Tarkin could have after... but wait, in the dialogue after the Falcon leaves, Tarkin makes it sound like this is Vader's idea! And like I said, he left to find Obi-Wan immediately after having found out there was someone on board the ship, so, yeah, I have no idea when that could have happened!
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
If I may, I'd like to offer an opinion\possible explanation for the concerns from the few posts above.
We're discussing a movie from the 1970s. That was a different time - a more innocent time. Uber-realism - whether it was story, graphic violence, hate, fear, blood, etc - was not the style of the time, nor the expectation. At least not where an outer space adventure was concerned.
We were concerned with hoping Luke, the Princess, and the others got away from the Death Star - not the minutia of exactly how the device was placed, when, by whom, or how it worked within the framework of the Empire's plans.
Star Wars captured the world in 1977 because it was - as it is often referred to - a fairy tale. It wasn't a shaky-cam, F-bomb laden, close-up-of-the-exit-wound affair.
Different decade - different film experience.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the film scene in general. Remember, this is when the American New Wave was coming to an end, so uber-realism and grittiness was very much the norm at the time. However, you are right. Star Wars was not part of it, and it isn't expected to be overly-realistic. But, come on, Anchorhead, you know nitpicking has to come up every once in a while. We here at OT.com are so used to picking apart the prequels. I think it's high time we admit that our golden cow isn't perfect. It doesn't mean we love it any less, but nothing is sacred. ^_^
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Oh, there's no doubt it's not perfect - far from it. But back then we didn't notice or expect it to be. Some films were very realistic and gritty, you're right on with that. However, there was still an innocence that was genuine & acceptable. TV is a great barometer of the times as well.
To me, that was one of the things that was so shocking about Luke's burned family being shown. As graphic as those few seconds were, I think it would be a much harsher scene these days. Cop films - French Connection, Serpico ( a huge favorite), Dirty Harry, etc - had already made the jump to realism, but not at the level and frequency of today. Plus, those films were aimed at a different audience, not teenagers. A great deal of the world was still ok with innocent, happy ending fairy tales.
Besides - isn't our imperfect golden cow what we're all trying so desperately to get a proper release of?
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About Leia and the tracking beacon, I thought the whole idea was that the decision was made to attack the death star right away, that day, so there's literally nowhere else to go and no time to do it. (before "other star systems suffer the same fate as Alderaan")
Gaffer Tape said:
Sigh. Did George ever watch his movies when making the prequels, or was he too busy thinking, "Ooh, Jedi are kewl. They make stuff dead and tey r invincibal!"?
Lol!
"Not this ship sister".
Anyway, much easier to find the Death Star when it comes to you.
I probably would've put the command centre up on a blockade runner though and evacuated the planet.
I'd never even considered the homing beacon question nor heard it discussed until the meme hit twenty years after the film was made.
One thing that did used to bug me about the falcon is that "several of the escape pods were jettisoned right after lift off" yet why would they be if they weren't expecting to be captured by the Death Star later? It's quite obvious they think they are going to Alderaan, why would you eject the escape pods? If the pods were jettisoned just before capture why did nobody notice? Or is it that the falcon's escape pods had been long ago jettisoned so the fake log entry was a clever, and convenient, diversion. I have to say though, it doesn't bug me that much because it's still plausible that the imperials could be fooled by a ship's log and not checking the physical pods.
