Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 202

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Darth Venal said:

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Said what??!

Damn, I keep missing your stuff before it's removed....

I'm starting to think Darth Venal is either the Stig or the Slitherer because alot of his posts look like Morse Code.

Bingowings said:

I'm starting to think Darth Venal is either the Stig or the Slitherer because alot of his posts look like Morse Code.

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Who are Stig and Slitherer?

Here is The Stig listening to his code :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxBaRkNbK8A&feature=player_embedded

The Slitherer was a contestant on Vic Reeves' Novelty Island who used to assist the police dressed as a worm by slithering around to Morse Code messages.

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(even the PT can be saved with a lot of hard work, I wasn't before but now I'm convinced of it).

  I believe that to.  There are some chilling scenes and emotional highpoints in these movies.  I had the weirdest feeling at the end of ROTS.  It's is all the other stuff that could use some work.

Nice and funny mockup of the lightsaber switheroo Davnes007.

 Keep the mockups coming guys.

Couldn't "Anakins Betrayal" song go somewhere in ESB or ROTJ?  Like at the end of the Hoth battle or somewhere else.

Bingowings said:

It might also be nice to have some ANH style Alderaanian troops around.

At least there is a tech with a ANH-style helmet seen in the hanger later when Han and Lando talk.

By the way, that shot has some issues. The first one is color (at least, on the DVD). There are also scale/overlap issues with a few pilots in the background. However, there is very little source material available for them.. and that even includes fans with costumes. Perhaps a few seconds from the ending of the Rebel Assualt II video game could be used.. but I am doubtful.

Ghost said:

Couldn't "Anakins Betrayal" song go somewhere in ESB or ROTJ?  Like at the end of the Hoth battle or somewhere else.

maybe when luke is being electrocuted if there is a similar montage of the endor battle like the one in ROTS with the jedi massacre. though to be honest im not really for PT music in the OT, aside for when used with the emperor (palpatines teachings) once or twice.

if you bring the OT forward 10 years technologically, (better graphically, more dynamic puppets and aliens), and take the PT back 10 years, (degrade graphics, change tone and pacing, edit colouring and add more vintage music to subsitute the modern choral stuff) maybe they will meet in the middle?

One slight problem with your mockup, Bingo. If you're to take background info into consideration, the Quarren and the Mon Calamari really don't like eachother. Now i know this doesn't come across in the movies, but I've always though the quarren look evil so my small criticism still stands :)

Ghost said:

Couldn't "Anakins Betrayal" song go somewhere in ESB or ROTJ?  Like at the end of the Hoth battle or somewhere else.

But why replace already great music with this one (which I like as well, but this would be kinda out of place wouldn't it?)? :)

Darth Chronus said:

brash_stryker said:

One slight problem with your mockup, Bingo. If you're to take background info into consideration, the Quarren and the Mon Calamari really don't like eachother. Now i know this doesn't come across in the movies, but I've always though the quarren look evil so my small criticism still stands :)

You beat me to that point :)

And here's part of the ugly history they share with one another (from the 2003 animated Clone Wars micro-series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Z9Y-q4H5A

Gotta admire Fisto's smile there at the end :D

Loved that series. Really wish the new Clone Wars series was more like that.

Oh god, i need to refrain as to make a politically incorrect statement here. So i'll just have a sly dig a the PT's insted.

Admarial Akbarr is just admiral akbarr, and Squid head is just squid head to me. Thats an opinion through my untainted mind. The PT's and the clone wars cartoons have thrown in the issue of politics and race into the Star Wars universe to over complicate the reasons why species exist on a chosen side in the OT's.

(EDIT) But if i were to be naughty i would include (without the slangs though)...

My island is currently being invaded by workers from a different ethnic background again , and im frowned upon by the powers that be to not accept these changes, even if they condem me. Bollotics.

But over generations we accept the changes. Americans even voted in a urm, "not get on with" american person from many years ago.

Just trying to explain it like the PT does, and why a stupid crossover like that could exist in the more down to earth OT.

Still would all Quarren be aligned with the Empire? There's no reason that has to be the case. I think a Quarren leader in the Rebel Alliance is feasible.

Thats what i was tying to say, but i went right round the bushes again.

Okay, im not being sarcasic when i say the voice of reason this time.

Actually the image I used was of two senators that apparantly signed Padme's petition so it's really just a case of the EU not knowing what's going on within itself.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tundra_Dowmeia

Voice of reason again.

Its bollotics. EU in any adebtation dont belong in the OT as being gospel. But you started it with being more open minded Oldling in the first place ;-)

Some PT ideas 'could' make scence, others, miff (including the idea of music that could be taken out and then replaced with 'newer' music - thats me just being narrow minded, or nieve).

Well EU aside, I've always thought that the Quarren look very unsavoury. This is further enhanced by seeing them in Jabba's palace.

Same reason I wouldn't have Trandoshans working for the Alliance in an edit. There's something kindly about Mon Cal features. Not the case with the Quarren.

Just my opinion.

Bossk? What point in time did all these races get titles out of curiosity?

Actually, even the star wars card backs may have an outside element of the EU, before wiki existed (a mix up at Kenner made 4LOM and Zuckarse named the wrong way around if i remember right - same head though).

Damn, i sound all negative lately.

Darth Solo said:

Bossk? What point in time did all these races get titles out of curiosity?

Actually, even the star wars card backs may have an outside element of the EU, before wiki existed (a mix up at Kenner made 4LOM and Zuckarse named the wrong way around if i remember right - same head though).

Damn, i sound all negative lately.

Well, not that wiki has anything to do with anything, but there has always been what you call "EU" material widely known to fans, like the bounty hunter names and plenty of other things. But just because those names weren't stated in the film doesn't necessarily make them EU.

They were usually the names given to those characters when they were designed, not created for EU material. Same with the inhabitants of Jabba's Palace, all those creatures were named in the workshop during pre-production if they didn't have a name already.

Ghost said:

There is nothing wrong with CG ships.  That has come a long way and looks real now. 

 

And Yes, when I said move the conversation, that also means start Luke on Dagobah. 

With millions of dollars and a dedicated team of professionals, yes. But not from amateurs, there's simply not enough money or computing power.

Also you said about Batman? The Dark Knight has barely any CG in it, and the main thing it's used for is getting cameras and equipment out of shots (Nolan likes to have many cameras capturing a scenefrom different angles a the same time). Other than Two-Face (and possibly the skyhook), the only major shot of the film that was CG was the helicopter plummeting out of the sky, and even then, it was only when it was falling, when it hits the street it's a real chopper chassis they lit on fire and chucked down the street.

That's how you use CG, at least for now. Films like Avatar are pushing CG forward and sowing seeds for CG to one day look fully convincing, but it's still a work in progress, and certianly beyond the capabilities of a few amateur SW fans.

Ithilgore:

Films like Avatar are pushing CG forward and sowing seeds for CG to one day look fully convincing

First of all, I agree with all your post, but one point...

In all honesty, I don't think CG humans will ever work. There is no getting out of Uncanny Valley. I work in this part of the industry, and while some do think it's possible, eventually, I have to say that the majority do not. And nor would they want it to be.

There's an irony in the pursuit of ultimate realism with CG, that being: if your aim is to create a photorealistic human, why not just use a human? Some say "you can get it to do things a real person can't". Fine, then use it for CG doubling, stunts etc, like we already do. What you can't do is nuance a performance in a computer the way a real person behaves. We can probably create photo-realistic still images that could fool nearly anyone. But we are so far away from a realistic moving human, Uncanny Valley isn't the half of it.

Think of what it took just to recreate Yoda in CG. Everything that Frank Oz did live on set back in 1978/9 in a matter of hours and days took many months to replicate in a computer with far more man hours. And it was less convincing. And it was harder to achieve. So what's the point? CG augmentation is one thing, but CG Creation is another.

EyeShotFirst:

I really think that the model ships in the OT minus the garbage mattes, were more convincing than CGI.

I agree completely with that. And now that compositing of live action elements can be done without "traditional" matte lines, it can't look any more real than real. Realistic scale, of course, has to be achieved with models, but as for lighting etc, it cannot ever look more real.

By the way, don't get too excited about the CG in Avatar. I've seen about 40% of the CG for that movie (which equates to about 25% of the whole movie) and yes, it's good. But it's no historical leap forward.