skyjedi2005 said:
And if malodorous = smells bad. Then that is a perfect criticism of the prequels because star wars episodes 1-3 are big giant piles of shit.
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Lucas had (and to some extend still has) great visual sense.
But he was never too good with actors. Even Ford said that he's 'impatient with the process of acting' and most times his only advice was 'faster and more intense'. You can really see that.
He had a great cast for the original and even there some scenes are a bit 'stiff'. Not to mention the PT...
Also ANH lacks of some kind of emotional depth (e.g. your home planet has been blown away? so what, you can still come up with dozen funny one-liners 5 minutes later) and sometimes feels a little rushed.
He can make great visuals and action but i agree that he isn't a very good director.
alek2702 said:
Lucas had (and to some extend still has) great visual sense.
But he was never too good with actors. Even Ford said that he's 'impatient with the process of acting' and most times his only advice was 'faster and more intense'. You can really see that.
He had a great cast for the original and even there some scenes are a bit 'stiff'. Not to mention the PT...
Also ANH lacks of some kind of emotional depth (e.g. your home planet has been blown away? so what, you can still come up with dozen funny one-liners 5 minutes later) and sometimes feels a little rushed.
He can make great visuals and action but i agree that he isn't a very good director.
The acting in the OT was fine. I don't see why people bash the OT acting. The quality of the acting is one of the primary reasons the films are so good. As for emotional depth in ANH, just because the film wasn't entirely realistic about character behavior doesn't mean it lacked emotional depth. ANH emphatically had emotional depth. That's another reason why it's a good film and became so liked.
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Robin Gurland casting director of the PT....
... although Lucas had the final word.
TMBTM said:
Face the real enemy:
Robin Gurland casting director of the PT....
... although Lucas had the final word.
That woman is a hero.
I always think she bears a striking resemblance to young Carrie Fisher. After a car wreck or something.
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I was thinking the same...except for the car wreck. Yikes.
Well Robin Gurland is no Fred Roos. You know the guy who cast the andy griffith show, american graffiti and star wars. That guy knew talent, supposedly he discovered ron howard. He also fought for harrison to be han solo in star wars when lucas wanted another actor. Lucas felt the same way during pre production of raiders of the lost ark he wanted that magnum pi person tom selleck.
To be fair to Robin Gurland she as far as i know casted the young indiana jones chronicles and the guest stars and casting on that were nothing short of amazing in my honest opinion. Sean Patrick flannery was a brilliant choice for a young indiana jones even though the show really was not really anything like the movie trilogy.
If you have seen Hayden's screen test he is better there than he was in the movies, which says to me that George Lucas cannot direct actors and Hayden is not the best talent out there.
I think that natalie was a big enough star that she was cast in episode 1 without testing. The same can be said for Liam Neeson, Ewan Mcgregor and Samuel Jackson, and of course Christopher Lee in episodes II and III.
The casting was as far as i know Anakin in episode 1: Jake Lloyd gave the best screen test
And episode II Hayden. Since we have not seen the other candidates screentests if they exist. Though Hayden was chosen because he could do that sullen James Dean thing lucas wanted supposedly.
Seriously what is hollywoods obsession with james dean type heros. They did the same thing with that jj star trek and chris pine was obnoxious and annoying as James Kirk.
Hayden was looked at because George Lucas goddaughter Sophia Coppola said he was an amazing young actor, and who knows how much her influence had on him being casted. If there is not a person alive who does not know who she is, she is Francis Ford Coppola's daughter, the legendary director of the GodFather.
The same person who everyone says ruined the Godfather 3,lol. Okay so she may be a terrible actor, but what about as a director? I thought Lost in Translation was decent but overrated.
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skyjedi2005 said:
The casting was as far as i know Anakin in episode 1: Jake Lloyd gave the best screen test
I thought on the EP 1 DVD documentary, one of the other two kids gave better line readings. But of course it's a matter of opinion, and I don't actually think Jake was that horrible, given the lines he was working with.
TV's Frink said:
skyjedi2005 said:
The casting was as far as i know Anakin in episode 1: Jake Lloyd gave the best screen test
I thought on the EP 1 DVD documentary, one of the other two kids gave better line readings. But of course it's a matter of opinion, and I don't actually think Jake was that horrible, given the lines he was working with.
Could any child actor have pulled off all of those "whoops" and "yippies?"
TheBoost said:
TV's Frink said:
I thought on the EP 1 DVD documentary, one of the other two kids gave better line readings. But of course it's a matter of opinion, and I don't actually think Jake was that horrible, given the lines he was working with.
Could any child actor have pulled off all of those "whoops" and "yippies?"
*ahem*
Oh sure, I'm getting up in age now, but you should have seen me in my formative years. I wouldn't just say "oops" like any clueless 10 year old reading a cue card. I would say "oops, I just accidentally destroyed the droid control ship!"
@ Skyjedi
I didn't think Pine's Kirk and Hayden's Anakin fit the same mold at all. From what Iv'e seen, Hayden fits the James Dean mold but Pine felt a lot more like a Han Solo type character to me. Yeah he's a rebel but In a kind of smartass, macho kind of way, quite different from Hayden's "anguished teen/brooding/emotionally unstable" vibes
TV's Frink said:
skyjedi2005 said:
The casting was as far as i know Anakin in episode 1: Jake Lloyd gave the best screen test
I thought on the EP 1 DVD documentary, one of the other two kids gave better line readings. But of course it's a matter of opinion, and I don't actually think Jake was that horrible, given the lines he was working with.
Well, they showed three people screen testing total. They had to have tested more people than that, or should have. Jake was the best of those three, but that's not saying much. They could easily have found a better actor for the role.
I agree.
Vaderisnothayden said:
Well, they showed three people screen testing total. They had to have tested more people than that, or should have. Jake was the best of those three, but that's not saying much. They could easily have found a better actor for the role.
Weren't those three the finalists? I seem to remember the casting director talking about all the kids they interviewed and tested before narrowing it down to those three. I'm sure they could have found someone better, but the dialogue has to be blamed just as much. What can you do with a line like "oops?" (as TheBoost said)
skyjedi2005 said:
To be fair to Robin Gurland she as far as i know casted the young indiana jones chronicles and the guest stars and casting on that were nothing short of amazing in my honest opinion. Sean Patrick flannery was a brilliant choice for a young indiana jones even though the show really was not really anything like the movie trilogy.
Sean Patrick Flanery was a horrific choice for a young Indy, right up there with Hayden as Anakin.
If you have seen Hayden's screen test he is better there than he was in the movies, which says to me that George Lucas cannot direct actors and Hayden is not the best talent out there.
He can do better than he did in the prequels, but I've never seen him play a part in which he didn't make the character lame. Hayden doesn't fit for Anakin even at his best.
The same person who everyone says ruined the Godfather 3,lol. Okay so she may be a terrible actor, but what about as a director? I thought Lost in Translation was decent but overrated.
I think her acting in Godfather three is underrated and unfairly scapegoated for the film not being what fans of the earlier films wanted it to be.
Eh, I wouldn't say her acting was horrible horrible, but it certainly deserved a lot of the criticism it got. And remember, I like The Godfather Part III.
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xhonzi said:
I always think she bears a striking resemblance to young Carrie Fisher.
I realize I'm biased, but the resemblance is minimal.
In my eyes - you'd be hard-pressed to find a woman as breathtakingly beautiful as Carrie Fisher was when she was young.
skyjedi2005 said:
If you have seen Hayden's screen test he is better there than he was in the movies, which says to me that George Lucas cannot direct actors and Hayden is not the best talent out there.The casting was as far as i know Anakin in episode 1: Jake Lloyd gave the best screen test
I think that screen tests are not the final word. There are many film starred by actor who were not the first option for their roles, even changed them after start filming. So casting directors... no relevance at all.
The thing is... that George Lucas has no actor-directing skills enough. He thinks that his job is directing the film and acting is the actors' job. If they are pro and he tells them what to say and what to do, they will do their best. But that's not the way it works.
Anchorhead said:
xhonzi said:
I always think she bears a striking resemblance to young Carrie Fisher.
I realize I'm biased, but the resemblance is minimal.
In my eyes - you'd be hard-pressed to find a woman as breathtakingly beautiful as Carrie Fisher was when she was young.
Is "funhouse mirror version of Carrie Fisher" a better comparison?
Or maybe this: She looks like how one might imagine old Carrie Fisher when she was young (assuming one did not know or have access to lovely pictures of the lady such as you posted.)
And why are you biased? Are you secretly Carrie Fisher's dad or something?
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xhonzi said:
And why are you biased? Are you secretly Carrie Fisher's dad or something?
I'm biased because when I first saw The Princess in the theater in 1977, I felt the same way Luke did when R2 plays part of her message. Regardless of what became of her as the years went on, that initial impression was one of awe.
That said, I'll readily admit she's tough to look at these days because of her years of substance abuse. However, in the late 70s, she was gorgeous.
Anchorhead said:
you'd be hard-pressed to find a woman as breathtakingly beautiful as Carrie Fisher was when she was young.
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xhonzi said:
Anchorhead said:
xhonzi said:
I always think she bears a striking resemblance to young Carrie Fisher.
I realize I'm biased, but the resemblance is minimal.
In my eyes - you'd be hard-pressed to find a woman as breathtakingly beautiful as Carrie Fisher was when she was young.
Is "funhouse mirror version of Carrie Fisher" a better comparison?
Or maybe this: She looks like how one might imagine old Carrie Fisher when she was young (assuming one did not know or have access to lovely pictures of the lady such as you posted.)
And why are you biased? Are you secretly Carrie Fisher's dad or something?
Mielr said:
My first impression of Ric Olie when I was 12 was that he was the most stunning-looking male I'd ever seen, and I still remember how I felt when I watch SW, and he always makes the "top 3 sexiest/prettiest/handsomest devils from Naboo" lists, either.
Fixed. :)
It's just too bad he always comes in behind Panaka.
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