Yep. Dexter Jettster. Lucas' son's name is Jett. Coincidence?
He also named the Gungans when his infant son would call construction equipment "goongans".
I don't say that's terrible. Lucas really cares about his kids and that's great. But Sleazbaganno?! Come on.
I think there's a new EU character named Teh Roxxorz also. lol.
TV's Frink said:
shanerjedi said:
Oh yes, the dealer at the nightclub. He has such a great name: Elan Sleazzbagganno.
Not making that up.
I can confirm that. I discovered that awful fact when I first started working on EP 2 cutlists. The "anno" at the end makes him sound kind of alien-y, I guess. I read a review of AOTC somewhere that accused Lucas of letting his kids name the aliens, based on Dexter Jetser or whatever the hell his name was.
I'm pretty sure his kid did name JarJar Binks
TheBoost said:
At this point it just becomes a game of 'make up a random explanation."
There is not a single line of dialog or plot point in either trilogy to give the impression that lightsaber color is particuarly important, save the implication that baddies have red (although that's not important enough for Anakin/Vader to make a point of trading his blue saber in).
Consequently, one can say anything they want about lightsaber colors, and any arguments carries just about the same weight as any other, since it's all based on nothing.
My understanding was it was meant to be a simple blue/good red/bad dynamic in the OT, but they needed a green lightsaber to show up in exterior fights against the sky in ROTJ, and in the PT Lucas just didn't give a damn, and let Jackson have a purple lightsaber for no reason, senind a million fanboys into seizures to come up with various explanations.
I suppose that is the best way to approach it. It doesn't add to the story really. Lord, it's so easy to become GL about all of this, trying to explain what doesn't need explaining.
Can someone post the link where all of the mock ups have been saved? I can't remember who was doing it.
"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination." – John Lennon
Skye1083:
Lord, it's so easy to become GL about all of this, trying to explain what doesn't need explaining
Uh, George Lucas never said anything about the light sabres, it was the fanboys who had to find the meaning of the colours. Lucas couldn't care less, far from explaining it. Yes, he ballsed up plenty of things - good old midichlorians to explain the Force, of course - but let's be balanced about it.
Actually, while I'm on midichlorians, I can't say that ever really bothered me so much either. As a staunch atheist, I would gladly accept a rational, "scientific" explanation of what the Force is. I'm not saying I liked the way it was done, about midichlorians in the blood etc, but something equally empirical is fine by me. It doesn't detract from the metaphor of what the Force is in any way, so I don't feel it must remain as nebulous as some "energy field".
As just as staunch an atheist, I think you're rather missing the point. It's fiction, more to the point it's fantasy, and the Force is one of the most archetypal fantasy elements in there. It loses a LOT of its character if you reduce it to some technobabble that doesn't actually explain anything. Either explain how these midichlorians enable telekinesis, telepathy, precognition and what-have-you, which would take a whole movie in itself, or don't try to handwave it away and instead embrace its fantastic nature.
Although it would be more suitable for a fan fiction or EU, I have an idea.
What about making the lightsabers changing color, depending of the mood of the character... For exemple in ROTJ Luke saber could turn to red for a moment and in ROTS Anakin's saber would completely turn to red.
I know, it's a little silly, but I had to share the idea.
RoccondilRinon:
As just as staunch an atheist, I think you're rather missing the point.
Well if you read my post, I did say I wouldn't mind an empirical explanation, not that it demanded one. I'm fine with it being a muysterious energy field, I enjoyed that for 22 years, and I'd be fine with a complete empirical explanation for the Force, too. I wasn't missing any point, I was saying I don't mind it being demystified the way that many do.
Actualy I never thought the midichlorians are said to BE the Force, they just help the people to be somehow conected to the Force. That's the way they are described in TPM.
The Force itself is not explained by the existence of midichlorians.
TMBTM said:
Although it would be more suitable for a fan fiction or EU, I have an idea.
What about making the lightsabers changing color, depending of the mood of the character... For exemple in ROTJ Luke saber could turn to red for a moment and in ROTS Anakin's saber would completely turn to red.
I know, it's a little silly, but I had to share the idea.
Well that doesn't really make any sense, since they're constructed with a specific colour crystal, and that's just too much like a mood ring.
I kinda wish Lucas had given a crap about the lightsabr colours, if only because it just looks like a mess now. If it's just random, and they Jedi picks whatever colour they prefer, why only blue and green? Where's the yellows, oranges, pinks, whites, etc?
Pretty sure Adywan will be redoing all the lightsabers when he gets to the PT, so I hope he introduces some kind of order to them, even just a small amount would be nice.
Ithilgore said:
TMBTM said:
Although it would be more suitable for a fan fiction or EU, I have an idea.
What about making the lightsabers changing color, depending of the mood of the character... For exemple in ROTJ Luke saber could turn to red for a moment and in ROTS Anakin's saber would completely turn to red.
I know, it's a little silly, but I had to share the idea.
Well that doesn't really make any sense, since they're constructed with a specific colour crystal, and that's just too much like a mood ring.
I personnaly only pay attention to what is shown in the movies, and colored cristals are not mention anywhere. (or di I miss a line from Jedi? cause I did not see this one in english a lot, and sometimes traductions are not exately the same lines)
I think my idea makes sens. It's just a little over the top and (like you said about the mood ring) can be taken as a bad joke. ;) So I think you're right, this idea can' t belong to the Adywan projects.
TMBTM:
I personnaly only pay attention to what is shown in the movies, and colored cristals are not mention anywhere.
You're not the only one. If it's not in the movies, I think it's open to change. And anyway, seeing as these aren't exactly wide release projects we're doing, it's pretty inconsequential.
Actualy I never thought the midichlorians are said to BE the Force, they just help the people to be somehow conected to the Force. That's the way they are described in TPM.
The Force itself is not explained by the existence of midichlorians.
I didn't say they were the Force itself, but clearly there's a connection. And if they were, I wouldn't mind. It wouldn't spoil the metaphor of what the Force is, so again, for me it doesn't have to be a nebulous energy field.
RoccondilRinon said:
As just as staunch an atheist, I think you're rather missing the point. It's fiction, more to the point it's fantasy, and the Force is one of the most archetypal fantasy elements in there. It loses a LOT of its character if you reduce it to some technobabble that doesn't actually explain anything. Either explain how these midichlorians enable telekinesis, telepathy, precognition and what-have-you, which would take a whole movie in itself, or don't try to handwave it away and instead embrace its fantastic nature.
Replace the word 'midichlorians' in the PT with 'fairiy-elf powder' and it readily becomes apparent that it's not biology or science or any attempt at a real kind of explanation. The existence of midichlorians really only serves a plot point so they could do a "force-test" on Anakin's blood.
It's not technobabble becase knowledge or non-knowledge of the midichlorians has no bearing on the plot or character actions. Anakin never breaks into a lab and takes a syringe full of midichlorians to become more badass, and R2 never reverse the polarity of the midichlorians in order to save the day.
...Isn't that exactly what technobabble is?
TheBoost:
It's not technobabble becase knowledge or non-knowledge of the midichlorians has no bearing on the plot or character actions. Anakin never breaks into a lab and takes a syringe full of midichlorians to become more badass, and R2 never reverse the polarity of the midichlorians in order to save the day.
...and it readily becomes apparent that it's not biology or science [but] only serves a plot point so they could do a "force-test" on Anakin's blood.
RoccondilRinon:
...Isn't that exactly what technobabble is?
Boost, I think Rocco is right, you gave a great description of precisely what technobabble is, not the opposite. And I think The Phantom Menace states pretty darn emphatically that Anakin's midichlorian count is the highest they've ever seen, precisely the reason he doesn't need to break into a lab and give himself more.
And considering that they take a blood sample from Anakin, which is then analysed for midichlorian levels in the cells, and I think you also proved that it is biology or science (whatever that means).
Darth Venal said:
TheBoost:
It's not technobabble becase knowledge or non-knowledge of the midichlorians has no bearing on the plot or character actions. Anakin never breaks into a lab and takes a syringe full of midichlorians to become more badass, and R2 never reverse the polarity of the midichlorians in order to save the day.
...and it readily becomes apparent that it's not biology or science [but] only serves a plot point so they could do a "force-test" on Anakin's blood.
Boost, I think Rocco is right, you gave a great description of precisely what technobabble is, not the opposite. And I think The Phantom Menace states pretty darn emphatically that Anakin's midichlorian count is the highest they've ever seen, precisely the reason he doesn't need to break into a lab and give himself more.
And considering that they take a blood sample from Anakin, which is then analysed for midichlorian levels in the cells, and I think you also proved that it is biology or science (whatever that means).
In either case, midiclorians serve absolutely no purpose to the plot and can easily be removed from all three films without it affecting the story at all.
JasonN said:
In either case, midiclorians serve absolutely no purpose to the plot and can easily be removed from all three films without it affecting the story at all.
Yeah, but at first midichliorians had a purpose. Palpatine creating Anakin through midichlorians (and in a way it is what he says to Anaking in the opera scene if we read between the line).
But this explanation was abandoned god knows why. Maybe because it would be hard for the audience to believe that Palpatine also oversaw Qui Gonn would finding Anakin on Tatooin etc...
I had a bizarre dream about TPM last night (it was a pretty tasking day and I was suffering from sleep deprivation).
I dreamt that Ewan and Nat were trying to film scenes set on Naboo.
The Queen in that dream version was older and more like the sort of decadent royals found in films like Cleopatra.
Nat was moaning about how the whole decoy buisiness doesn't make any sense as the decoy doesn't get put in enough danger for the two characters to actually feel like seperate people and pay off as a surprise.
She said that it would be a better twist if she really was the decoy pretending to be the Queen and the real Queen was on Naboo and she had to get back to be seen to be doing her job (which she was doing much better than the real queen) or the Federation would figure out she wan't the Queen and didn't have the authority to be passing Senate motions or sign treaties anyway.
Ewan was chirping in by saying once in a while saying if he was doing it he would cut to the real Queen of Naboo being beaten and abused in a Federation run prison camp and mixing with ordinary people for the first time. If she died the Federation would actually destroy their chances of getting the treaty signed.
Lucas was just playing with some 1970's Star Wars figures and trying out different unrealistic chroma-keyed backdrops and said something like "nobody goes to a Star Wars film to be told a story they just want a new backdrop to tell their own".
Then Timothy Dalton turned up and said something that sounded really good at the time but I forgot it as soon as I got downstairs to have breakfast.
I really shouldn't eat cheese before bedtime but I kind of liked the idea of doing the Queen/Decoy thing more like The Prince And The Pauper only with the handmaiden being a better ruler than the Queen and the Queen learning from suffering with her people.
I haven't a clue how it could be put into the film without shooting all new scenes and replacing Kiera Knightly with a new actress.
Giving Peter Pan's flying ability, which is supposed to be magical, a biological component in pixie dust (some kind of waste product of another organism) completey ruins what is meant to be a fantasy.
Well that depends whether you always interpreted it as "pure fantasy" or not. I didn't, and it doesn't have to be. Are you really comparing Star Wars to magic? Sure, if you want it to be, I can see why bringing midichlorians into it would piss you off. Trust me, I don't think Lucas did it very well - at all - but if his intention was to make empirical something which had hitherto been undefined, then I can't say it bothers me.
"The Force is an energy field which surrounds all living things" isn't really that far from midichlorians being something genetic found in all living cells, is it. So that idea doesn't bother me, I just wish it had been handled a lot better.
Darth Venal said:
"The Force is an energy field which surrounds all living things" isn't really that far from midichlorians being something genetic found in all living cells, is it. So that idea doesn't bother me, I just wish it had been handled a lot better.
Let's say the midichlorians are "IN" living cells and the Force is "BETWEEN" living cells (or everything else, like the rock). Midichlorians just are the connection.
It's just an unnecessary level of complexity, non cellluar life living in the cells of all cellular life forms (only more so in special people) being the communicative medium for a mystical energy field created by all living things.
It's like believing in God but only being able to communicate with Him if you have a virus.
Bingowings said:
It's just an unnecessary level of complexity, non cellluar life living in the cells of all cellular life forms (only more so in special people) being the communicative medium for a mystical energy field created by all living things.
It's like believing in God but only being able to communicate with Him if you have a virus.
Haha i love the methaphor and your totally right, the force was a mystical energy that could be wielded by anyone with the right training, the force was stronger with some families. But now it just seems like you have to have a certain cellular organisms that give you the connection, this was a stupid move by George and didnt expand our understanding of it or advance the plot. Yet another addition thing that was pointlssly put in these movies.
RoccondilRinon said:
As just as staunch an atheist, I think you're rather missing the point. It's fiction, more to the point it's fantasy, and the Force is one of the most archetypal fantasy elements in there. It loses a LOT of its character if you reduce it to some technobabble that doesn't actually explain anything. Either explain how these midichlorians enable telekinesis, telepathy, precognition and what-have-you, which would take a whole movie in itself, or don't try to handwave it away and instead embrace its fantastic nature.
God you atheists are such grouches. :p
Oops, did I say God? :D
TMBTM said:
Actualy I never thought the midichlorians are said to BE the Force, they just help the people to be somehow conected to the Force. That's the way they are described in TPM.
The Force itself is not explained by the existence of midichlorians.
That's right. But just as well we don't need to know how people connect to the Force. We only need to know that they do and it exists.
I *hate* midichlorians. Just like I hate any kind of abstract concept.