Well, I tried taking the high ground, but with C3PX saying how much he "enjoyed" Ziz's posts I just had to look at those posts. Time for some truth-talking.
Ziz said:
C3PX said:
Ziz said:
Of if they wanted to be really obvious that he was selfish, mean and egotistical, they could have called him "Vaderisnothayden Bane".
Seriously, what do comments like this really add to the discussion? You may not like VINH, or find him annoying, but it is still pretty lousy to just toss out insults like that.
It's called sarcasm. He doesn't contribute anything positive, all he does is complain, I'm just giving him a taste of his own medicine. And what makes it funnier is that he's so full of himself that he doesn't see it that way, and probably still won't even after reading this very post of me saying so.
Bullshit. It's called insults, not sarcasm. Low-down unprovoked insults that demonstrate that you do not understand the proper boundaries and lines which one shouldn't cross when posting on the net. Bursting into a peaceful conversation just to insult somebody who was not insulting you is plain childish and stupid. Nor was insulting me like that a taste of my own medicine. What I do that you so dislike is I criticise things. Shows, films, performances. I don't go around spontaneously insulting posters who aren't doing anything against me. A "taste of my own medicine" would be to criticise something I like. Which people have done on this board. And I responded with reasoned argument, not calling people egotistical, selfish and mean. As for your view that I'm so full of myself, what does this come from? The fact that I refused to do things the Ziz way when ordered to? You're the one that's full of themselves, going around telling people how to post or deciding you're the one to decide what's constructive posting and that everybody should just post to your specifications. You treated me like shit in the past just because I refused to follow the Ziz doctrine of posting. Stop being so full of yourself and so sure of the rightness of your view of what posting should be and stop trying to force it down other people's throats. You won't catch me going around the board hounding people just because I don't think their posting is constructive.
Also, you need to learn some basic principles. Don't worry, they're not difficult. Firstly, criticism is not complaining. What I do not is not merely complaining. Quite apart from the fact that I do more than criticise things. I defend ROTJ at every opportunity, for example. I start discussions on the different versions of the films, for example. I do more than criticise. But you are so quick to rush to judgement that you don't bother getting your facts straight. Next, you seem to be stuck to the stupid, dumb, narrow-minded, UNCONSTRUCTIVE view that criticism is a negative and is not contributing anything. That view is incredibly damaging for open constructive discussion, because criticism is an important part of such discussion. I have posted numerous posts of carefully thought-out in-depth criticism of a sort that is far more constructive and positive than anything I've ever seen you post on this board. The view that criticism is a negative and is unconstructive and not contributing anything positive is a fixation of air-brained internet morons of the sort who see a bit of criticism and go "Oh, no! Negative! Bad! It's not sunshine and roses! It's terrible! We can't have that! It must be all polite gushing! I'm scared! Protect me from the big bad criticism! It menaces me!" Such people need to grow up. Instead of copying their thinking, try thinking for yourself and being open-minded. I think your problem with me is that I think for myself and that bothers you, because you don't.
Ziz said:
C3PX said:
Skyjedi makes a fantastic point about the ignore button, if you feel VINH doens't bring anything to the discussion, save yourself some annoyance and ignore him.
Why should I put him on ignore? It's fun watching him go out of his way to contribute only negativity. I keep wondering when he's going to implode in on himself.
And for all the bitching about the PT and Indy 4 that Sky does, at least he makes the occasional suggestion of how things could be different. VINH can't seem to get that far.
Why should you put me on ignore when what you really want to do is go around picking fights with me, you mean. You couldn't do that if you put me on ignore, so you won't put me on ignore. You get a kick out of your hostile feeling towards me and towards my posting and you wouldn't be able to indulge in that properly if you couldn't read my posts. So no, you'll never put me on ignore.
"It's fun watching him go out of his way to contribute only negativity" -there you are again, copying your attitudes from the dumbest, most air-headed denizens of the internet. Get it into your thick skull, criticism isn't a negative. The world would be lost without people criticising things that need criticising. Criticism is an important part of discussion. I think you would favor one of those totalitarian states in which nobody is allowed to speak out critically against the establishment.
And btw, I'm not going out of my way at all. It's funny you should think I'm going out of my way. I post what I post because it's what I want to post. I'm not going to go out of my way at all over something like this. What I post comes naturally.
And don't worry, I won't implode. I really don't see why you would expect me to. It's not like criticism involves all this negative feeling and tension that you seem to think it does.
"And for all the bitching about the PT and Indy 4 that Sky does, at least he makes the occasional suggestion of how things could be different. VINH can't seem to get that far."
Again with these dumb mindless notions on what's positive and negative and constructive. Suggesting ways in which things could have been done differently is in no way more valuable or more constructive or more positive than giving accurate thought-out criticisms of how things went wrong. I don't engage in a lot of speculating on how things could have been done differently, because a lot of that stuff strikes me as pointless speculation. I'd much rather understand what actually happened and what actually was done and why it went wrong. But when I find it necessary or to the point to suggest some way in which things could have been done differently then I do so. But of course, you haven't noticed.
