Bingowings said:
Seeing as the tactical display is transparent he could be looking through it to a window over to one side but it sounds like more effort than it's worth.
Well i tried to put a window there. the only you can see will be mountains and some part of the mountain that the base is in. not something radical or look good enough. That doesnt mean that goes the same with the jabba's palace windows mockups ^_^ lol.
-Angel
No I love the jabba window. Don't lose the jabba window! :D
Yeah that Hoth control room shot is clearly a guy peering through the screen to see what is happening on the other side. No window.
What is he looking at? Who knows. Maybe Kersh threw one of his crew in a rebel uniform and he's watching a lamp? :p
I was watching the trailer, and the “Young Skywalker” in the VO sounds a little awkward to me. I think “the offspring of Anakin Skywalker” actually works better once you get rid of all the wishy-washiness around it:
VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?
EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force.
VADER: I have felt it.
EMPEROR: We have a new enemy: the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.
VADER: Yes, my master.
EMPEROR: He could destroy us.
VADER: He’s just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.
EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.
(Or maybe “son” instead of “offspring.”)
I’m sure this has already been discussed to death when I wasn’t around; can somebody summarize the pro and con arguments?
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
For me the "offspring of Anakin Skywalker" line comes down to it being way too descriptive, as if (a) Vader doesn't know who Luke is and (b) Vader doesn't know who he was/is (even worse in the rest of the 04SE). They both play way too dumb through the whole thing and it doesn't come off as a brave deception on either part, it just seems dumb to me. And its almost like they pause the movie for this revelation we've had since the opening crawl. Why does the Emperor call him in the middle of an asteroid field to tell him that the person he's been hunting for 3 years is dangerous and probably shouldn't become a Jedi?
No matter, it needs to be reverted back to as close to the original dialog as possible, which Ady is doing/has done. No more deception/Ric Olie worthy dialog ("Luke blew up the Death Star and you've been looking for him!") than originally there.
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I think "Young Skywalker" in the trailer sounds perfect. In fact, if it weren't for the fact that McDiarmid seems to croak his lines really awkwardly, it would pretty much be a perfect match to ROTJ.
Yeah "the offspring of Anakin Skywalker" sounds like it was right out of the prequels. "Young Skywalker" is much better.
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I prefer the "young skywalker" to the original "Luke" to be honest. Just seems more like something Palpatine would say, to me.
Ditto!
Blu Ray Hayden is mentaly challeneged super SE edition:VADER: What is thy bidding, thy math-ter?
EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in your bowels. The red light is flashing again on your chest plate.
VADER: Yeth, my math-ter. I have felt it, in me tumm tumm.
EMPEROR: You've been at the vindaloo's again, after i told you not to, havent you?
VADER: Yeth, my math-ter.
EMPEROR: It could destroy you.
VADER: I have felt it. But Dath Vadur like it.
EMPEROR: You've pebble dashed.......no this time, napalmed, another suit and the dry cleaners are going on strike now, thanks to you.
VADER: Yeth, my math-ter. Um, like....Nooooooooooooooo!
Im not even funny...(apologies to those members who are actually intellectually challenged there)
Angel, did you say some time ago that you wanted Monroville to try drawing the carbon freezing chamber? I think he already did in February earlier this year.
Was this the droid you were looking for?
Edit: I see I've made a mistake. Angel was the first person to respond to Monroville's drawing. Ah well. I'll leave my original post up for posterity.
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doubleofive said:
For me the "offspring of Anakin Skywalker" line comes down to it being way too descriptive, as if (a) Vader doesn't know who Luke is and (b) Vader doesn't know who he was/is (even worse in the rest of the 04SE).
VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?
EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force.
VADER: I have felt it.
EMPEROR: We have a new enemy: the son of Anakin Skywalker.
VADER: Yes, my master.
EMPEROR: He could destroy us.
VADER: He’s just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.
EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
The thing is though that having the Emperor say "the son of Skywalker" twice is just repetition that isn't needed. The original dialogue pre-2004 worked perfectly and that is how i want to return it, even though i have to substitute "Luke Skywalker" with "young Skywalker"
"Young Skywalker" sounds just fine. I agree the original dialogue doesn't give away too much.
Whether or not it’s needed is debatable. I think it serves a purpose in reflecting how the Emperor perceives the significance of Luke: not as just a new big shot among the Rebels, certainly not as a mere child, but as the progeny of Anakin Skywalker, the legendary Jedi. (If the PT hasn’t yet been seen, this is likely interpreted by the viewer to mean the son of his greatest adversary; we learn at the end of the film that there’s more to it than that.)adywan said:
The thing is though that having the Emperor say "the son of Skywalker" twice is just repetition that isn't needed.
The original dialogue pre-2004 worked perfectly and that is how i want to return it, even though i have to substitute "Luke Skywalker" with "young Skywalker"Yes, the original dialog worked perfectly. “We have a new enemy: Luke Skywalker” would be much better than “We have a new enemy: young Skywalker.” Unfortunately, it’s not an option. The question is not how you can most closely mimic the 1980 cut. (We have the GOUT for that and OCPmovie’s cut). The question is rather how you can make this the best version of TESB possible given what you have to work with. The original cut should be used for ideas and elements, not as a prescription, especially when it’s a prescription that cannot be filled accurately. Even if you do take it as a prescription, I figure that, semantically speaking, “the son of Anakin” is closer to “Luke“ than “young.” The only thing “young” has going for it is that it’s one syllable. If we’re going for mimicry, it’s more important to mimic the meaning than the meter of the 1980 cut, and “the son of Anakin” still makes more sense than “young.”
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
Call me optimistic but is it possible to trucate and distort Looking as in "I'm looking forward to completing your training" into Luke?
Ady did such wonders with creating the second "Yeesssss" that I'm possibly being fooled into believing he can do anything.
Bingowings said:
Call me optimistic but is it possible to trucate and distort Looking as in "I'm looking forward to completing your training" into Luke?
Ady did such wonders with creating the second "Yeesssss" that I'm possibly being fooled into believing he can do anything.
Hey, there's an idea, Bingowings. The long 'o' sound isn't too far from the long 'u' sound.
Does anyone here (besides Ady) have the appropriate audio editing software for a demo?
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I've uploaded video to youtube of Ian McDairmid's narration on The Musical Journey DVD. I've left the inserted "Luke" with no background soundtrack incase Ady wants to use it. I added a bit of reverb and sped the pitch up a shade to try and match the next words. I'll give the link next post. Its uploading now.
J.
Well another reason GL changed up the Vader/Palps dialogue a bit and added "How is that possible?" was to ackknowledge the fact that the Emperor told him he'd killed Padme.
So it was a PT retcon continuity patch.
The reason why it worked w/o that bit of dialogue in the OT (before the prequels existed)was because we as viewers knew no specifics before the prequels.
Depending how Ady will edit RoTsR maybe that line should be kept?
DF Shadow said:
Well another reason GL changed up the Vader/Palps dialogue a bit and added "How is that possible?" was to ackknowledge the fact that the Emperor told him he'd killed Padme.
So it was a PT retcon continuity patch.
Right, but in the opening crawl it stated that Vader was 'relentlessly searching for Luke' or something to that effect, and when the probe droid image of Echo Base is looked at by Vader, he says "That's it, the rebels are there and I'm sure Skywalker is with them."
So when Vader talks with the Emperor, he already knew the the name of the person he was following. As if the name weren't enough, Vader says "Obi-Wan can no longer help [Luke]" in that same hologram scene in the asteroid field. So Vader already knew Luke had been getting help from Kenobi. Vader would have to be incredibly dense not to have resolved the clues by then.
-Force is strong with this rebel
-this rebel was associated with the Jedi Master Obi-Wan (Vader's old master!)
-And he share's Vader's last name of Skywalker
I think it was made fairly clear that he had already figured out Luke was his son. So in my mind, the prequels just fucked up, and the retconed hologram scene simply capitalized on the mistake. Similar to what happened with Leia remembering her mother on Endor, except no retcon was even attempted.
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-Carl Sagan
Here's the URL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnsPNzdytlU
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Fits in perfectly.
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It does fit but it's in the wrong place.
Luke is mentioned at the very beginning, "We have a new enemy Luke Skywalker" and later "The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi".
When I was a kid and anticipating loads of sequels I thought they wanted to stop Luke because the feared his son would become a Jedi (I was there before the EU caught up with me and I was 10 years old).
I guess if it fits for one it would fit for the other.
Enigmas said:
DF Shadow said:
Well another reason GL changed up the Vader/Palps dialogue a bit and added "How is that possible?" was to ackknowledge the fact that the Emperor told him he'd killed Padme.
So it was a PT retcon continuity patch.
Right, but in the opening crawl it stated that Vader was 'relentlessly searching for Luke' or something to that effect, and when the probe droid image of Echo Base is looked at by Vader, he says "That's it, the rebels are there and I'm sure Skywalker is with them."
So when Vader talks with the Emperor, he already knew the the name of the person he was following. As if the name weren't enough, Vader says "Obi-Wan can no longer help [Luke]" in that same hologram scene in the asteroid field. So Vader already knew Luke had been getting help from Kenobi. Vader would have to be incredibly dense not to have resolved the clues by then.
-Force is strong with this rebel
-this rebel was associated with the Jedi Master Obi-Wan (Vader's old master!)
-And he share's Vader's last name of Skywalker
I think it was made fairly clear that he had already figured out Luke was his son. So in my mind, the prequels just fucked up, and the retconed hologram scene simply capitalized on the mistake. Similar to what happened with Leia remembering her mother on Endor, except no retcon was even attempted.
^^ I know all of that, I'm not disputing that Vader didn't already know Luke was his son. As I see it that scene is all about Vader and Palps double dealing and having a very layered exchange where both are playing dumb in some manner. It's very clear, and I actually like that all of that is going on, it's very Sith like behavior.
All I'm talking about in this case is the one line where Vader says "how is that possible" iMo is a quick PT reference to Palps lie about Padme being killed by him, thus how could she have given birth.
I was suggesting the line maybe stay as is if that other scene remains intact in rotsr.
Ady's MO from where I'm sitting is that "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
In terms of an ESB:SE the dialogue from the original cut wasn't broken, it worked pefectly but was delivered by the wrong actor to maintain continuity with ROTJ.
That's why he has tried to retain Ian's voice but make his face look ROTJ style and his dialogue match the original dialogue.
ROTS is broken in so many places that trying to snap on a piece of dialogue into a near perfect piece of writing like ESB is a retromingent move.
It's much better to (when possible) to fix the bad to match the good, not the other way around.