Anchorhead said:
Vaderisnothayden,
Since you've moved on to baiting & trolling, let me leave you with three things.
1. I'm never going to watch the second two prequels or the SEs.
2. You don't get to decide whether or not Return is a good film - just as I don't get to decide it's a bad film. Our thoughts can only represent our worlds. In yours, you like the film and think it's good - in mine, I dislike the film and think it's bad. Those are truths that are not debatable, even though you continue to try.
3. I don't care about Return - at all. Watch it weekly if you want. I'm never going to watch it again.
Now, you'll have to champion the film without any further input from me.
Besides, I have a plane to catch.
"Since you've moved on to baiting & trolling, let me leave you with three things."
Ok, you've lost me there. How in god's name did I move on to baiting and trolling? It seems to me like you're taking great offense at, well, nothing. Stuff that is not offensive and was never meant to be offensive. That is not fair behavior.
Edit: Just for the sake of fairness, I went back and carefully reread my last post to you which you had found so offensive, and I still cannot for the life of me see any sort of "baiting and trolling" in it.
1. I'm never going to watch the second two prequels or the SEs.
Why is that? If you see them you'll understand better what went wrong with the prequels and what has happened to Star Wars. Those last two films are quite an eye-opener. They go wrong so horribly and in so many ways. I find it very interesting to analyze their fucked-upness and their mentality and mood. I think you could get much out of watching them and finding out what people here are talking about. Certainly, I think it is unfair to say ROTJ is similar to "the prequels", which indicates similarity to the dreadful later two prequels (along with the first), without having seen the two films you are comparing it to.
You don't get to decide whether or not Return is a good film - just as I don't get to decide it's a bad film. Our thoughts can only represent our worlds. In yours, you like the film and think it's good - in mine, I dislike the film and think it's bad. Those are truths that are not debatable, even though you continue to try.
I am entitled to my opinion on how good ROTJ is and entitled to express that opinion. And when somebody says something totally at odds with that opinion I am entitled to convey my belief that they're mistaken. As for deciding ROTJ is a bad film, that's precisely what you've been doing. Nor have I ever debated whether you dislike the film and think it's bad (I explained very clearly in my last post to you that I wasn't doing that). I merely debated that your reasons for disliking it do not make it in actual reality a bad film.
I don't care about Return - at all. Watch it weekly if you want. I'm never going to watch it again.
That sounds to me like you care about it rather a lot, even if only in the negative. I think you said you last watched it twelve years ago. I think if you're going to be passing judgement on it you need a more recent look at it. Like for example I watched it today while keeping in mind the criticisms of yourself and other people here, my aim being to give those criticisms and similar ones a chance. My conclusion was that while the film has childish elements, it transcends the problem of those elements and ultimately comes through with flying colors and contributes much to the saga. Unlike the prequels, it is a vibrant, sincere and heartfelt film. And damn desperately good-natured, which makes the hatred of it seem all the more unfair.