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xhonzi said:I am an RotJ fan. On the whole, I like it and I think it's one of the few series ending movies that actually works for me. That is to say, I think it delivers on the main "promises" made by the preceding movies. The Luke/Vader scenes at the end are near perfect, in my opinion. The space battle at the end has yet to be matched or surpassed in terms of complexity and excitement.
HOWEVER (and I know there are whole threads dedicated to it, so I won't go into much detail):
The burping? The Tarzan yell?
The Ewok's cuteness factor and makretability seemed to be weighed higher than their believability or story relevance.
The aliens in Jabba's place seem to be "cuter" than their Cantina equivalents.
And most importantly, Han and Leia seem to be less three dimensional than their ESB selves. This can be blamed on the actors (Ford, primarily) but I think it was a sign of the story and style over characters problem that Lucas seemed to be developing.
I guess these are top of the list to me. Like I said, I actually like RotJ a lot. I have a hard time chosing between it and ANH for 2nd best of the trilogy. But I still think it bears the signs that Lucas was starting to make movies for his 3 year old daughter as opposed to his 18 year old self.
I certainly wouldn't blame Leia and Han's reduced status on the actors (no, not Ford at all -he was great). It's down to the movie being very Luke-centric. But Leia and Han are still great in it.
The ewoks are a lot better than people give them credit for. They're not just harmless cute teddy bears. They tried to EAT the main characters. They're vicious little fuckers with an attitude. They're so so far away from the cute characters of the SE and PT.
You'll have to remind me where there's burping or a tarzan yell. Such a thing never caught my attention and certainly never bothered me.
The aliens Jabba's palace were SPECTACULAR. So Max Rebo was cute and Droopy Mcool was a bit cute too, but hardly to detrimental degrees.
As for Lucas's three year old daughter, she was only about one when ROTJ was made and I don't think the film was made for a one year old. I don't think any of his Star wars movies were made primarily for his 18 year old self. As far back 1977 Lucas was saying Star Wars was for kids. They were just adult-palatable kid movies. As is ROTJ as long as people don't insist on seeing the ewoks as something they're not.
There's more cuteness in ROTJ than in the previous two movies, but it's a million miles from the cartoon characters of the SE and prequels. To see the contrast, compare the 97 SE Jabba with the 83 ROTJ Jabba.