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G E Predator
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Our Fault, Not George's?
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12-Sep-2009, 6:27 PM
Vaderisnothayden said:
G E Predator said:
C3PX said:
G E Predator said:

What we see in the official DVD's is what GL envisioned. 

 

Vaderisnothayden already covered this, but yeah, you can't really say that is what Lucas "envisioned". That makes it sound like what we have now was somehow his plan all along, and clearly it wasn't. If he had had the whole thing planned out all along, you can bet things would have been much better thoughtout. Instead we end of with a lot of afterthoughts, convoluted plot points, and massive gaps in the plot. Honestly, I could have forgiven the prequels for a good deal of their awfulness if they actually possessed the ability to go along side the original trilogy to some extent. But it takes an awful lot of over thinking and self delusion to plaster over all the cracks in order to come up with a smooth enough surface to safely walk across without tripping. It is really hard to suspend your disbelief enough to make these fims work, for those that are able to, more power to you, but for some of us it is simply impossible.

 

Well I'm not in self-delusion, but I have done a lot of thinking about the prequels that helps me see that they do make sense.  Maybe they are what GL envisioned.  Maybe they're not.  I don't know for sure because I'm not GL.  What I was implying that there is a difference between hating the films and bashing the artist for making the films.  GL did graduate from USC with a BA in fine arts, and he is one of the American film industry's most financially successful independent directors/producers, with an estimated net worth of $3.9 billion.  The reason I defend him is because he has more experience in film making that we do.  So while we don't have to agree with he vision of the Prequels or his idea about the OT:SE, it is not his fault if we choose not to like them.

 

It's his fault that he made awful films. There was no need whatsoever to do that. We didn't just come along and dandily say "Well, I think I'll dislike this film, because it'll entertain me to do so." We love Star Wars. We had every reason to want to love these films. But for all that, George made it impossible to love them, because he made them so far out awful. That's his fault.

And they aren't just awful -they also totally crap on the Star Wars story. It's perfectly reasonable for us to be pissed off with him for that. Just like his SE revisions totally crap on the original films. There was every reason to dislike those. And it's his fault that there was every reason to dislike them, because it was George Lucas who made them like that.

With the SE he mutilated the OT, and then there was all this talk from him about how the originals will vanish and all that will be left will be his horrible mutilated versions and sorry you fell in live with a half-finished movie. And the OOT isn't getting restored and can't get a decent dvd release and probably won't be on blu-ray or future formats, so we probably won't be able to watch it on the long term. Between the SE and the PT and the treatment of the OOT, this guy totally destroyed Star Wars. And we have good reason, plenty justification, to be pissed off at him for that. 

The prequels don't make sense. I've done a lot of thinking about the prequels too and they don't work and they don't add up.

Lucas's finanicial success is not in any way an argument that he's not responsible for screwing up with the prequels or that he shouldn't be held responsible. The same goes for him having a BA in fine arts, which is a pretty common degree by the way.

So what if he has more experience in filmmaking than we do. That doesn't mean he understands Star Wars better than us. Quite the opposite. The SE changes proved that he doesn't understand Star Wars anymore, as does the nature of the PT. He lost his understanding of Star Wars and screwed up the whole thing and no amount of filmmaking experience absolves him of the guilt for that. He crapped all over a beloved classic. Something beloved of millions should not be destroyed to satsify the whims of one man.

How can you say that he doesn't understand Star Wars more than us?  He created Star Wars.  It's his artwork.  And George did not make it impossible to love them.  "Love" and "Hate" are ideal opinions.