It would be interesting to see a shot of the bridge from the outside (like the end of ESB) If you can render a side view Angel, I'm assuming you can render almost any view????
A messy idea for Boba Fett that wouldn't require as much (any?) new footage, though it's somewhat still disjointed:
Show Fett in Jabba's palace, possibly even on the sail barge (maybe up to the shot of him looking suspiciously at R2 just before R2 goes to the top level to launch Luke's saber). At some point show Slave I in the distance taking off (the shot doesn't need to follow the ship from the surface, it could just be in the distance, then show it in orbit). You could do a similar thing to the mockup of Fett talking to Vader in his cockpit, but instead have a holo of a Bothan and use some alien dialogue from somewhere else in the films (so as not to have to re-record anything), and subtitle it to make it clear who Fett has called. Or just have it go to some Rebel leadership. In any case, Fett doesn't even have to say anything. The scene can cut off before he does. (I like the Bothan idea because it presents a mystery for the audience that is only revealed in pieces, later on.)
Later, have Fett on Endor (a la the old Micro Machines set, haha). Not sure what he should be doing - hanging around on the surface, with Vader, like on Bespin (though we need to generate an actual motive for him to be there). Maybe Slave I is parked on the landing platform. We see him in enough shots to establish that he's working for the empire. Maybe he is the one to bring in Luke (though it would be simpler to have him only be with the officer who brings Luke in - that wouldn't require new lines). When the battle breaks out, we could re-use footage of him from the sail barge battle (that he most likely didn't participate in, in this version), and/or pull in some shots of Jango if necessary.
Then, Fett would be the one to corner Han and Leia at the bunker. I could use the idea of having Han just say "I love you" as his last words, to cover that Leia doesn't have a blaster at this point (though I like the cuteness of her line recapitulating his from Empire). We could have Chewie's AT-ST pull up while Fett and the troopers are saying "Get up," and then the "I love you" line comes (as discussed above). Maybe a shot of Fett here (the footage from ANH and of him pulling his gun in the palace may come in handy here). Then, the AT-ST shoots him and the troopers down. Reveal Chewie as normal.
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Sounds like a lot of effort to get Fett in a position to be shot for no reason.
One of the problems with Jedi is everything is tied up in a big funeral bow, Jabba, Fett, Yoda, Palpatine, Piett, The Empire.
It would be add a bit of cred to the film if at least one loose end was left dangling and Fett is essentially a minor character (all be it a fan fave).
He's not evil or good or political, he's just in it for the money which he could continue to make in chaos after the fall of the Empire.
So why not just let him live?
People seem to think he is Han's nemesis, he isn't (outside the EU anyway) he was just some guy hired by two other guys to find him.
He is a bit of a shadow of Han (Han pre-ANH with a few less scruples and a mask), he has the fancy ship and all.
Having him sell the location of the Emperor to the rebels gives him something to do but outside that I can't see any point him being in the film.
The Bothans don't appear anywhere in the films so having Fett take up that role makes sense to me.
It's annoying when writers feel that they have kill off anyone who isn't a hero in these sort of films I thought (until ROTJ) Star Wars was above that sort of thing.
And I would like to again stress me feeling that ROTJ doesn't need Fett at all. He can easily be excised and it in no way impacts the story. All that is lost character-wise is Han's bumbling revenge and defeat of Boba which is another bad attempt at humor and a poor end to the character.
Axe him. He did his job and got paid. Why would he hang around Jabba's palace macking on 'dancers' when there's more money to get in the universe? He can have sex with skanks any time, but that's a different movie and I bet there's a fan-fic somewhere out there about just that....
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Savage said:And I would like to again stress me feeling that ROTJ doesn't need Fett at all. He can easily be excised and it in no way impacts the story. All that is lost character-wise is Han's bumbling revenge and defeat of Boba which is another bad attempt at humor and a poor end to the character.
Axe him. He did his job and got paid. Why would he hang around Jabba's palace macking on 'dancers' when there's more money to get in the universe? He can have sex with skanks any time, but that's a different movie and I bet there's a fan-fic somewhere out there about just that....
Definitely, Boba Fett seems like the type of character that would get the job done, take his pay, and disappear into the shadows. Boba Fett in ESB was that character. If we just yank Boba out of ROTJ he will be the same as he was in ESB. After all, his appearance in ROTJ was just food for the fans. Hey kids it's Boba Fett.
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EyeShotFirst said:Savage said:And I would like to again stress me feeling that ROTJ doesn't need Fett at all. He can easily be excised and it in no way impacts the story. All that is lost character-wise is Han's bumbling revenge and defeat of Boba which is another bad attempt at humor and a poor end to the character.
Axe him. He did his job and got paid. Why would he hang around Jabba's palace macking on 'dancers' when there's more money to get in the universe? He can have sex with skanks any time, but that's a different movie and I bet there's a fan-fic somewhere out there about just that....
Definitely, Boba Fett seems like the type of character that would get the job done, take his pay, and disappear into the shadows. Boba Fett in ESB was that character. If we just yank Boba out of ROTJ he will be the same as he was in ESB. After all, his appearance in ROTJ was just food for the fans. Hey kids it's Boba Fett.
Thirded.
Davnes is in the process of seeing how well shots would fit together with just straight cuts of Fett. Then we'll know how much tweaking would be needed to flat out get rid of him. Let's expand the Star Wars universe and make it a place where not only does everybody not know everybody else, but justice isn't/shouldn't always be served on a neat platter.
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As I said putting him in ROTJ as he is was a fan service of the lowest order.
I could see why he turns up at Jabba's now and then it's a great place to pick up work as well as social diseases at least with the Boba Job scenerio it's a fan service with a purpose (he has something to do which is pretty similar to what he does so well in ESB).
He's the Blackadder of the Star Wars universe, IMPs on the top REBs on the bottom and Fett in the middle making a fat pile of cash out of both of them.
Fourthed. ROTJ doesn’t need Fett. He’s a freelance bounty hunter, not a Jabba employee. There’s no reason for him to hang around Jabba’s palace unless he thinks there’s a fugitive hiding there. ROTJ doesn’t give him anything interesting to do (unless you like the burp joke), and he wouldn’t be missed at all if he could be completely excised.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
Since we have the Pro-Fett and the Anti-Fett representetives, I'm going to be the Semi-Fett avatar:
Keep Fett only inside the actual Palace.
Jabba has a reputation for keeping bounty hunters and thugs around his palace, especially if they please him in some way. Fett could also be hanging out there because of a recent bounty etc.. etc... who knows, basically. But, we know Fett has some relations with Jabba so it's not uncharacteristic that he could be there. If perhaps, this was Fett walking around in say Docking Bay 94, then I'd say REMOVE HIM.
So, him appearing in the background of Jabba's palace a few times is cool. Him going on the sail barge, is not cool. He'd have no reason to do that.
I also think, while it's fun to picture what could have been or just brainstorming cool side-stories, we shouldn't be writing extra or different plotlines into the movie. That's not really what Revisiting is all about. It's not Revisioning.
Let's meet in the middle, Fett in palace: Good. Fett on barge: Bad.
Now (rambling ahead):
Personally, I love Fett and hate his death scene. Obviously, he was used in ROTJ because he could be an extra action figure in the ROTJ line and his costume is cool enough to use again.
So what do we gain by keeping him in the palace?
We see he isn't above hanging out with scum like Jabbas minions and Jabba himself, as well as associating with the elite of the Empire.
A thermal detonator does not scare Fett. He feels his life may be in danger and he's ready to fight for it, regardless. The same way he was ready to pop a cap in Chewbacca on Bespin.
His calm and observant reaction to the unfolding events (rancor etc..) is a great contrast to everyone else in Jabbas palace acting like a friday night at the Appollo.
And, if omitted from the barge scene, we can draw the silent conclusion while the rest of Jabbas barbarians were lining up to watch the prisoners be uneventfully fed to a hole in the ground, he decided it was a good time to hit the dusty trail.
I think all these things lend/benefit the character more than detract from it.
On the other hand, omitting him from ROTJ all together, serves and even bigger purpose to the mystique of the character, which is exactly what made him so popular in the first place. I see that as well.
qxx said:Let's meet in the middle, Fett in palace: Good. Fett on barge: Bad.
Fett on barge is definitely bad. It’s not only his undignified demise that’s the problem; he’s a bumbler throughout the entire fight.
Fett in palace is not good. At best, it’s neutral, because it’s not plagued by the same problems as his appearance at the Sarlacc pit. Do you think his presence in the palace adds anything to the film? If not, it’s a pointless dilution of the character and a distraction from what really matters. Not a horrible thing, but not a good thing either. Plus, including him in the palace might lead to the viewer expecting him in the later action sequence and wondering when he’s going to show up. There’s no need for him; if he can be excised, do it.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
No, the point of Fett being on the Sail Barge is so that Han Solo can back at him ... even though it was fumbled. I prefer it the way it is.
In a discussion on another forum, it was mentioned that the pilot's chest boxes in ESB change from scene to scene. These are goofs that could be changed.
Let only Sev Zenesca have a chest box with a red and a green square button. Change all others so that the rightmost two square buttons are always blue and the others white: Especially Luke's.
EyeShotFirst said:Hey kids it's Boba Fett.
Paging Ric Olie.
"There's Boba Fett. He brought Han Solo here to Jabba the Hutt. And look, the Sarlacc just ate him."
O.T. or No T., baby!™
Savage said:Paging Ric Olie.
What? You can't just summon me at your will. I come and go as I please...
Aww crap.
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this would be my greatest suggestion to the ending. (obviously use ghost on Anakin Robes)
I personally think the whole "Everyone gather for a photo" ending (including Obi and Yoda), is a little more than campy and a very weak ending.
I truly think ROTJ should end with Vader's pyre; either a closeup of Luke's face or the behind-the-back distance shot. Cut to credits.
It's odd, the images of ROTJ's ending (hugs, ewoks, songs and ghosts) are so embedded in my brain as 'natural' but when I think about how campy and lame it is for such an epic series to conclude, I can't help but to hope an alternative ending scene is chosen.
qxx said:I personally think the whole "Everyone gather for a photo" ending (including Obi and Yoda), is a little more than campy and a very weak ending.
I truly think ROTJ should end with Vader's pyre; either a closeup of Luke's face or the behind-the-back distance shot. Cut to credits.
It's odd, the images of ROTJ's ending (hugs, ewoks, songs and ghosts) are so embedded in my brain as 'natural' but when I think about how campy and lame it is for such an epic series to conclude, I can't help but to hope an alternative ending scene is chosen.
I would say ending with the pyre would've been great had there been a sequel trilogy to follow. But as it is now, the campfire gathering ties everything up neatly.
And as annoying as Nub Nub was, it's far better than that Zamfir musical number Johnny Williams replaced it with for the SE.
qxx said:I personally think the whole "Everyone gather for a photo" ending (including Obi and Yoda), is a little more than campy and a very weak ending.
I truly think ROTJ should end with Vader's pyre; either a closeup of Luke's face or the behind-the-back distance shot. Cut to credits.
It's odd, the images of ROTJ's ending (hugs, ewoks, songs and ghosts) are so embedded in my brain as 'natural' but when I think about how campy and lame it is for such an epic series to conclude, I can't help but to hope an alternative ending scene is chosen.
I say we see a mysterious cloaked figure, hear the Emperor’s evil laugh, then cut to a title card that says “THE END”, and after a couple of seconds changes to “THE END?” 
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
cap said:I say we see a mysterious cloaked figure, hear the Emperor’s evil laugh, then cut to a title card that says “THE END”, and after a couple of seconds changes to “THE END?”
Good stuff - what about hearing Ming the Merciless laughing? LOL.
TV's Frink said:cap said:I say we see a mysterious cloaked figure, hear the Emperor’s evil laugh, then cut to a title card that says “THE END”, and after a couple of seconds changes to “THE END?”
Good stuff - what about hearing Ming the Merciless laughing? LOL.
Good glavin! Save us all! With the ruthlessness and the moustache twirling and the wit and the.....uh I give up. :D
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Hahaha :) I absolutely adore Prof. Frink - in a respectable manner of course, blerghen whey!
Anyway I read an idea from someone about Luke ripping some controls around the Throne Room whilst he's defeating Vader - is there some consensus for the idea, or is it too much and considered unworkable?
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I had a weird/brutal idea for ROTJ.
Consider this: The scene(s) from the most recent Rambo movie, where he's using the BIG machine gun to cut the enemy dudes in half....being used in the Endor ground battle !?
Imagine Ewoks getting cut in half....and then Ewoks getting control of it, and mowing down Storm Troopers.
>:D
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Davnes007 said:I had a weird/brutal idea for ROTJ.
Consider this: The scene(s) from the most recent Rambo movie, where he's using the BIG machine gun to cut the enemy dudes in half....being used in the Endor ground battle !?
Imagine Ewoks getting cut in half....and then Ewoks getting control of it, and mowing down Storm Troopers.
>:D
That sounds so awesome and I'm quite sure there'd be much more brutality if the stuff that happened in that galaxy far, far away happened for real.
Tayyab
Davnes007 said:I had a weird/brutal idea for ROTJ.
Consider this: The scene(s) from the most recent Rambo movie, where he's using the BIG machine gun to cut the enemy dudes in half....being used in the Endor ground battle !?
Imagine Ewoks getting cut in half....and then Ewoks getting control of it, and mowing down Storm Troopers.
>:D
That would be AWESOME! XD R rated Star Wars! -
Bingowings said:It would be interesting to see a shot of the bridge from the outside (like the end of ESB) If you can render a side view Angel, I'm assuming you can render almost any view????
We ll see ;) :D
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