Personally, I think ESF's altered versions look a lot more like Mars than the original (except for the green rocks at the bottom right of the first image), not to mention simply more realistic (I shouldn't really use that word to describe Star Wars, "believable" is probably better). I don't like the changed lightsabre colours though; the blue ones are too green and too bright and the purple and green ones are too pale and indistinct.
RoccondilRinon said: I don't like the changed lightsabre colours though; the blue ones are too green and too bright and the purple and green ones are too pale and indistinct.
I was actually thinking of re-rotoscoping them and giving mace a new colour but I just said aw fuggit. LOL. I didn't do maces because I couldn't think of a colour to do.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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Here is my colour correction with the all blue sabers idea put in place. I hated the idea but I gotta say It looks less distracting.
Don't say it looks to washed out. Go outside in the middle of the hot summer and believe me everything is either very bright or dark.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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No, not just blue sabers.
Turn the green ones into yellow ones, that would look good!
No more yellow in a yellow pic :P
-Angel
vaderios said:No more yellow in a yellow pic :P
-Angel
Definitely!!! Plus if no one will give me my orange sabers I am gonna make them all blue LOL.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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EyeShotFirst said:
Well that values in second pic with the jedi if it was separately i could tell that is a retro scan from a card game from 70s.
It captures the retro feeling and gives a new aspect. Tho id like to see as base your CC some more color detail to some parts ;)
-Angel
Just in case people haven't seen it or the thread wanders off and get's lost I thought it would make sense to post a link to Timstuff's really good Jar-Jar dub on here :
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/RE-Jar-Jars-voice-and-personality-re-imagined-video-experiment/post/376516/#post376516
Here is phase 2. I did some more work angel. I did some colour balance changes.
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Angel this is the full rez version of it. If you feel you want to make any further changes it wouldn't hurt my feelings. I just want this film to look as good as it can LOL.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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Timstuff said:I really liked Magnoliafan's idea of changing Dooku's lightsaber color to keep it a secret that he's a Sith until the end. For the audience, he should come across as being a rogue Jedi / political idealist until Sideous shows up later, so his red saber should not come into play until Episode 3.
I don't think Dooku should ever be a sith lord.... Keep him as a rogue jedi throughout. Much more interesting and not as typical. I mean he does flat out tell Obi-wan that the Senate is being controlled by a sith lord. Kinda dumb to draw attention to that fact if he is a sith lord himself. Makes much more sense that he isn't, and that he leaves the republic because he knows where it's headed... Gives you this OH CRAP moment when you realize that they were fighting the good guys so to speak.
True, and it would also bring some more weight to Anakin's feelings that he shouldn't have killed Dooku. I mean, if he was a Sith there's really not much way around it-- Sith = bad, and Jedi need to fight them. If Dooku is a rogue Jedi though, then it does bring more weight to Anakin's decision to kill him-- like, was Dooku really wrong for joining the seperatists, or was he simply following his Jedi beliefs in a way the others disagreed with? Since he had a red lightsaber in the movies it pretty much removed any moral ambiguity from his character, but giving him a blue or green saber would restore it.
I've been meaning to post this picture for a few weeks:
I've always really liked the shot of this ship in the hanger bay...always thought it had great scale...a nicely composed shot...very ANH concept art...plus it doesn't look like crappy CGI. But I've always wanted that shot to last a little longer.
Maybe this shot of the droid directing the Jedi could be rotoscoped to here?
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
Timstuff said:True, and it would also bring some more weight to Anakin's feelings that he shouldn't have killed Dooku. I mean, if he was a Sith there's really not much way around it-- Sith = bad, and Jedi need to fight them. If Dooku is a rogue Jedi though, then it does bring more weight to Anakin's decision to kill him-- like, was Dooku really wrong for joining the seperatists, or was he simply following his Jedi beliefs in a way the others disagreed with? Since he had a red lightsaber in the movies it pretty much removed any moral ambiguity from his character, but giving him a blue or green saber would restore it.
I agree... The prequels lacked any serious dramatic weight, and by changing this one little aspect it brings a good bit of weight back to the story... Things aren't always black and white.
Timstuff said:True, and it would also bring some more weight to Anakin's feelings that he shouldn't have killed Dooku. I mean, if he was a Sith there's really not much way around it-- Sith = bad, and Jedi need to fight them. If Dooku is a rogue Jedi though, then it does bring more weight to Anakin's decision to kill him-- like, was Dooku really wrong for joining the seperatists, or was he simply following his Jedi beliefs in a way the others disagreed with? Since he had a red lightsaber in the movies it pretty much removed any moral ambiguity from his character, but giving him a blue or green saber would restore it.
And I can't help but wonder if Qui-gon wouldn't have left the republic like Dooku said... Man, why did they kill him off? Would that not been amazing dramatic moment. If Qui-gon left the republic, what would that do to Obi-wan's mind! Dang you, Lucas! Wasted opportunity!
Yeah, if Dooku wasn't really evil, it would probably leave Obi-Wan asking more questions about which side Qui Gon would have chosen. There's not any way to directly convey that in the movie, but it's part of something wonderful called SUBTLETY, something which the prequels could stand to use more of anyway! Also, another reason a green lightsaber would be great for Dooku is that it'd reinforce his connection to Qui Gon.
I really like the idea that Dooku isn't really evil-- he's an idealist who sees the corruption in the Republic, and is trying to do something about it. One question though: would the connection between him and Sideous be removed completely, as in the scene where he meets up with Sideous at the end is gone? I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it would show that Dooku is playing both sides, which keeps his true motives a bit more ambiguous. However, on the other hand, if he really is an idealist it's possible that he under no circumstances would lower himself to working with a Sith, even if he's going behind Sideous' back. I'm not really sure which way it should go, but also I did like that there was some foreshadowing to the Death Star in Episode 2 (though I do feel like showing its construction in ROTS was unnecessary and chronologically sloppy).
Timstuff said:I really like the idea that Dooku isn't really evil-- he's an idealist who sees the corruption in the Republic, and is trying to do something about it. One question though: would the connection between him and Sideous be removed completely, as in the scene where he meets up with Sideous at the end is gone? I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it would show that Dooku is playing both sides, which keeps his true motives a bit more ambiguous. However, on the other hand, if he really is an idealist it's possible that he under no circumstances would lower himself to working with a Sith, even if he's going behind Sideous' back. I'm not really sure which way it should go, but also I did like that there was some foreshadowing to the Death Star in Episode 2 (though I do feel like showing its construction in ROTS was unnecessary and chronologically sloppy).
Have you watched JasonN's edits? He completely cut Dooku's relationship with Sidious, including that scene at the end of AOTC.
Mrbenja0618:
Man, why did they kill him off? Would that not been amazing dramatic moment. If Qui-gon left the republic, what would that do to Obi-wan's mind! Dang you, Lucas! Wasted opportunity!
Well, Lucas is lucky he did kill off Qui-Gon, because there is no way Liam Neeson would have come back. He was pretty damn vocal about how much he hated the way Lucas made The Phantom Menace and that's why he declined to appear as Qui-Gon's ghost and we ended up with the Force ghost thing being slipped in so inadequately at the end of Episode III.
TV's Frink said:Timstuff said:I really like the idea that Dooku isn't really evil-- he's an idealist who sees the corruption in the Republic, and is trying to do something about it. One question though: would the connection between him and Sideous be removed completely, as in the scene where he meets up with Sideous at the end is gone? I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it would show that Dooku is playing both sides, which keeps his true motives a bit more ambiguous. However, on the other hand, if he really is an idealist it's possible that he under no circumstances would lower himself to working with a Sith, even if he's going behind Sideous' back. I'm not really sure which way it should go, but also I did like that there was some foreshadowing to the Death Star in Episode 2 (though I do feel like showing its construction in ROTS was unnecessary and chronologically sloppy).
Have you watched JasonN's edits? He completely cut Dooku's relationship with Sidious, including that scene at the end of AOTC.
I saw JasonN's edits, but I don't remember... Did he remove the Dooku scene with the death star plans?
Darth Venal said:Mrbenja0618:
Man, why did they kill him off? Would that not been amazing dramatic moment. If Qui-gon left the republic, what would that do to Obi-wan's mind! Dang you, Lucas! Wasted opportunity!
Well, Lucas is lucky he did kill off Qui-Gon, because there is no way Liam Neeson would have come back. He was pretty damn vocal about how much he hated the way Lucas made The Phantom Menace and that's why he declined to appear as Qui-Gon's ghost and we ended up with the Force ghost thing being slipped in so inadequately at the end of Episode III.
This is true... Just dreaming about what could have been.... But if Lucas had done his job right, OF COURSE Liam Neeson would have come back... Oh well...
I heard that Magnoliafan was planning on having a "cameo" by Neeson at the end of his ROTS edit, but unfortunately I'm not sure if it's actually coming out. It seemed like a pretty solid concept though-- place a voice-over from one of Neeson's other films in there somewhere, and place a ghostly shot of him at the end, when Yoda says "someone from your past has returned from the beyond" and remove the stuff about giving Obi-Wan meditation exercises to practice to communicate with him (since Obi-Wan can already see Qui-Gon with his own eyes, and that line didn't make sense anyway since Luke could see Obi-Wan with almost no training).
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:I've been meaning to post this picture for a few weeks:
I've always really liked the shot of this ship in the hanger bay...always thought it had great scale...a nicely composed shot...very ANH concept art...plus it doesn't look like crappy CGI. But I've always wanted that shot to last a little longer.
Maybe this shot of the droid directing the Jedi could be rotoscoped to here?
Yeah why not? It is Radical as well. no idea how can be on camera pacing.
Worth a shot ;)
-Angel
Timstuff said:I heard that Magnoliafan was planning on having a "cameo" by Neeson at the end of his ROTS edit, but unfortunately I'm not sure if it's actually coming out. It seemed like a pretty solid concept though-- place a voice-over from one of Neeson's other films in there somewhere, and place a ghostly shot of him at the end, when Yoda says "someone from your past has returned from the beyond" and remove the stuff about giving Obi-Wan meditation exercises to practice to communicate with him (since Obi-Wan can already see Qui-Gon with his own eyes, and that line didn't make sense anyway since Luke could see Obi-Wan with almost no training).
I would be interested in seeing that.
Well lookie here... I was able to find the preview images that Magnoliafan made. These are a pretty good demonstration of the concept I think.
mrbenja0618 said:I saw JasonN's edits, but I don't remember... Did he remove the Dooku scene with the death star plans?
Here's *everything* JasonN did for AOTC:
http://rapidshare.com/files/245028747/ep2jasonncutlist.doc
And if you are interested in what was done in his other edits, or what other editors have done to the prequels, follow the link in my sig.
EDIT: Just remembered you have to be a member of that forum to follow my sig link. If you aren't a member, let me know what other edits you are interested in and I'll post the links to the cutlists.
If we need to see him, I'd prefer to see him on Dagobah (going with the idea of the Tantive landing and the twins being born there).
But in ANH we didn't see Ben's ghost at all, we heard him largely from dialogue sampled from earlier in the film and that approach could be used here.
