Is it just me or did anyone else think it was blatant cop-out when kid (fake) Boba picked up Jango's helmet in AOTC and Jango's head didn't fall out?
I thought it was as bad as making the enemy armies droids so the good guys don't actually kill anybody. It's the same coddled pseudo-morality that had Han shooting second in the Special(ly Stupid) Edition.
We can poll it it. Who here thinks it would have been better if the head had fallen out?
Then you would love the novel Shatterpoint, since you love the prequels and pretentiousness.
Mace just takes his head off, in the theater there was no sound or sparks indicating his jetpack had failed.
Lucas added them on the dvd. The reek creature damages his jetpack so he cannot escape.
Kind of reminds me of the jedi radio drama han says to boba "I'm gonna rip your helmet off with your head inside!"
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Shatterpoint has a prologue from GL, which sounds like a good reason to avoid it. Plus I get the impression it's Windu-glorification, which I don't need.
But you forgot to say whether you would have preferred if Jango's head had dropped out when the kid picked it up.
I don't care either way there is no way including it would have made the film any better, except get a pg-13 rating and lose lucas money and action figure sales and kids meal sales,lol.
Though it might have been unintentionally funny, which these awful films are known for.
There is no way Jango's death is going to be any more important than bobas, their smalltime henchmen and i blame the EU for making boba into this godly glorified figure.
Remember how Boba dies in return of the jedi, a freeze blind han whacks him with the butt of a spear and he careens off the side of the sailbarge into the sarlac for a cheap laugh.
The descent to absolute childishness started in return of the jedi, continued on into phantom menace where you have a racist characiture of a character, fart and poop jokes.
Though things like ewoks, chewie swinging like tarzan long before shia did it ,and cheap jokes are not as bad as jar jar or hayden. There are enough strong moments in jedi that these cheesy witticisms of lucas don't upset the boat, but the prequel star wars trilogy, clone wars movie, and indiana jones IV were absolute piles of shit and unworthy of Lucas star wars and indy reputation, though they were worthy of his howard the duck, star wars holiday special reputation.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
skyjedi2005 said:I don't care either way there is no way including it would have made the film any better, except get a pg-13 rating and lose lucas money and action figure sales and kids meal sales,lol.
Though it might have been unintentionally funny, which these awful films are known for.
There is no way Jango's death is going to be any more important than bobas, their smalltime henchmen and i blame the EU for making boba into this godly glorified figure.
Remember how Boba dies in return of the jedi, a freeze blind han whacks him with the butt of a spear and he careens off the side of the sailbarge into the sarlac for a cheap laugh.
I don't care either way there is no way including it would have made the film any better, except get a pg-13 rating and lose lucas money and action figure sales and kids meal sales,lol.
Well if it lost Lucas money that would have made me happier. Seriously, Jango was such an annoying character and so was his kid. It would have been therapeutic to see his head go plop and it would have been a relief from the castrated wimpiness of the films. And it was so obvious that it should have happened, so it was really conspicuous when it didn't.
The EU buildup of Boba and Jango is really annoying. Boba's death in ROTJ was fun, but I would have liked it if Han killed him intentionally and preferably more brutally.
In terms of whether or not I would have enjoyed seeing that, it certainly would have gotten a laugh out of me.
But if I think it would have made it a better film or even a better moment in said film, then probably not since, as I said before, I would have just laughed at it.
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Lucasfilm shies away from stuff like that. They even went so far as to say the stormtrooper helmet on the book deathtroopers does not still have the guys head in it,lol.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
It's a bit inconsistent, because they seem to be quite happy with lopping off limbs and heads and frying people in lava.
Like Gaffer, I would have laughed if Jango's head had fallen out. So I definitely don't think it would have helped the film (though it couldn't have made it any worse, the film is already superlatively awful). I also think it would have added more to the identity crisis the prequels seemed to have, fart jokes galore, then a man get chopped in half, frolicking in flowers and riding giant ticks, then killing an entire village of people including the women and children, and one films later the main protagonist slays a bunch of innocent children who look up to him and think he has come to save them.
I don't think we need to add a small child dumping his father's severed head out of a helmet to the mix. The idea of a kid holding his dad's severed head is kind of disturbing enough; the idea of that scene was that he was holding his father's helmet (I always assumed the head fell out during the rolling) and staring into it forshaddowing that he would take up his father's mantel and become a bounty hunter like his father.
EDIT: Wow, I had never heard of that Death Troopers book, I don't really keep up with the EU much. The overly gory (by SW terms) cover caught my attention, so I went to read about it, and it actually sounds really interesting. I haven't read an SW EU novel since the 90s, but I think I might check this one out. It sounds like the kind of EU I always liked best, takes place in the SW universe, but has nothing to do with any of the main characters or situations from the film (I loved the Tales from Mos Eisley one-shot comic book for that exact reason).
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C3PX said:Like Gaffer, I would have laughed if Jango's head had fallen out. So I definitely don't think it would have helped the film (though it couldn't have made it any worse, the film is already superlatively awful). I also think it would have added more to the identity crisis the prequels seemed to have, fart jokes galore, then a man get chopped in half, frolicking in flowers and riding giant ticks, then killing an entire village of people including the women and children, and one films later the main protagonist slays a bunch of innocent children who look up to him and think he has come to save them.
I don't think we need to add a small child dumping his father's severed head out of a helmet to the mix. The idea of a kid holding his dad's severed head is kind of disturbing enough; the idea of that scene was that he was holding his father's helmet (I always assumed the head fell out during the rolling) and staring into it forshaddowing that he would take up his father's mantel and become a bounty hunter like his father.
It was a stupid moment and I think it would have been greatly improved by a bit of harsh realism. Come on, wouldn't it have been fun? That stupid annoying kid picks up the helmet because he's going to look solemnly at it in a "meaningful" scene, and out pops the head (which we'd have had every good reason to expect was still in the helmet).
When he picked up the helmet and the head didn't fall out I went "Huh? Where's the head? Oh, god this is some more silly Lucas moralistic kiddifying castration." I recognized immediately that not having the head there when we'd good reason to expect it to be there was part of the same sort of shit as making Han shoot second. And it's pretty weird, because he does this stuff alongside having Darth Maul chopped in two and having hands and heads chopped off.
It seemed like such silly unrealistic censorship to not have that head fall out. It was really conspicuous.
Yes we would have laughed if Jango's head had fallen out. And why would that be a bad thing? The least we could get out of that awful film would be a laugh. Though I suppose you could also get a laugh from Anakin and Padme's romance, if you could keep your lunch down.
And I think it's idiotic the way censors want to stop little kids seeing things like this. I was pretty small when I first saw ESB and Luke getting his hand chopped off was pretty intense, but it didn't do me any harm. To this day I still relish the strong genuine emotional response I got. I loved that bit and I still do. Seeing Jango's head fall out would have done no harm to the kiddies and some of them might have loved it.
It would also have been a good kick in the balls to Jango, who was a really annoying character.
Gaffer Tape said:In terms of whether or not I would have enjoyed seeing that, it certainly would have gotten a laugh out of me.
But if I think it would have made it a better film or even a better moment in said film, then probably not since, as I said before, I would have just laughed at it.
Yeah, but if it made you laugh it might have made your viewing experience a bit more tolerable. Laughing is good for the system -proven fact. Particularly important when you're watching something that's not good for you, like Attack of the Crap.
Seriously, we needed every laugh we could get in that film, because we were drowning in bullshit. Though if you watch the film in a certain mindset you can get quite a few laughs. Like when the jedi first appear in the arena, they're all strking poses pointlessly. This establishes in a few seconds that the jedi are a bunch of wankers. Though, having watched the prequels up to that point, we would already know that. Still, useful in case anybody didn't catch on before. Pretty funny, anyway.
And when the jedi appear we get Samuel L Jackson acting "badass", which is so totally inappropriate for a jedi. Somebody should tell Mace Windu that bit about aggression leading to the dark side.