Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 137

Thanks for posting those.

I still think the central core is too big to be just a lift shaft (perhaps it's just a dodgy matte).

If you look at the set the the lift sits in the middle of a circular column just a bit bigger than the lift itself.

If you look at the matte the column on the left is much too big to be the same structure (look at the doorway leading out from the walkway, it's about the size the opening of the lift but the circumference of the column is many times larger).

I think the lift shaft runs inside the column in the matte (if we are to take it literally) but there's much more to it, enough for many lift shafts of the same size which is why I suggested that the pit is just another chasm but one running down the centre of the tower.

If the matte was changed most of these problems would disappear.

It's not a good matte anyway, some of the walkways go to nowhere.

Darth Venal said:

The big central tube running down the middle is the damn lift shaft.

I think this shows why you're just completely missing my point. If the big central tube is the lift shaft, as you say (which I've always agreed with by the way) then what the hell is the shaft surrounding it?

The lift shaft (or central core - whatever you want to call it) is a shaft within a shaft, yet you seem to be calling both the same damn thing!

The lift shaft being there is completely irrelevant to what started this. Palpatine is not thrown down the lift shaft (which is in the centre and, funnily enough, houses lifts) but down the shaft surrounding it.

Fuck it.

You guys let me know when you have this shaft thing figured out, and explain it to me.  Then I'll explain it to the audience.

Davnes:

I think the elevator shaft in the middle looks just fine.

And, I think the main 'hole' is larger than the gaps around the elevator would have you believe, and extend farther under the floor panels (maybe to where the stairs end).

Exactly.

If the top of the central column extended out to the edge of the stairs the outside of the column wouldn't appear in the matte at all, as he would be thrown down it and not the space beside it.

Vader throws Palpatine from the the space you describe, the death pit is right next to the lift.

As I said the matte is the problem and it's not a good matte so I haven't a problem with it being replaced.

In any case Palpatine is falling down the inside of the tower not the centre of the station.

I agree completely with that, Bingo. The matte really isn't great, I never even liked it back when the movie was new, so I'd be happy to see it replaced too. And yes, Palpatine is definitely falling down the inside of the tower, not the centre of the station.

A more accurate matte would definitely solve the problem.

It would also help if we got a better tower reveal shot which showed us just how huge it is.

It's hard to believe he is falling so far down the tower when the tower model is made out to be so spindly.

Inconsistencies with models, sets and matte paintings don't help, just as in many other scenes in Jedi.

vaderios said:

As i promised. New death star with several organic works on its wip section.(still consdering the idea of ships flying around it. Or TIES to show more the scale of this metal beast)

Bingo's idea to look like eclipse in front of the sun and greater scale so its not a ball that stands there.

 

-Angel

The one on the right would make an awesome wallpaper. Can you send it my way in some better quality?

LOL!

vaderios said:

No

 

-Angel

Zak is being denied!

Oh SMEGG!!

Well, one good thing has emerged from this tedious argument about lifts and shafts: the chasm matte looks too matte-y.

By the way, I agree with bingowings. It's a open chasm. SW is full of goofy things like that. You take that away and you take some of its charm and originality away too.

well the angle is kinda weird.

wait a second. If the inner shaft is the left and the outer one is the tower, then where the heck do those bridges go to?

I think the inner shaft needs to be slimmed down, the bridges taken out, and the whole thing more atmospheric and not so flat.

I'm a big proponent of simplifying shots if it makes the visual look more like it was actually photographed.

In the case of that matte, the bridges and their lighting look too flat and the whole thing needs more depth. Too bad there are no shaft pics the falcon flies through that you could use. Sometimes models work better than mattes.