Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal — Page 17

budwhite said:

Lets say this take a year of hard work and money for the ones involved. And than Lucas relases the Blu-ray in 2011 including the unaltered trilogy. It is possible after all, however, not likely in my opinon.

 

I guess my point being if this project is ever to see the light of day it should be done fast.

 

Also, if this, somehow, would be scanned in HD. Then it really puts Lucas in a position that he has to release the orginal on Blu-ray.  I mean what a dissaster and an ambarrassament for him, if a fan project turned up in that (presumable)great quality

It would be a little better laser disc quality LOL

budwhite said:

Lets say this take a year of hard work and money for the ones involved. And than Lucas relases the Blu-ray in 2011 including the unaltered trilogy. It is possible after all, however, not likely in my opinon.

 

I guess my point being if this project is ever to see the light of day it should be done fast.

 

Also, if this, somehow, would be scanned in HD. Then it really puts Lucas in a position that he has to release the orginal on Blu-ray.  I mean what a dissaster and an ambarrassament for him, if a fan project turned up in that (presumable)great quality

if lucas releases a blu-ray fine..

why should we care about the impact on this project?

theres still plenty of projects going on now.. notice how many HD versions

of the trilogy are out now? i don't see lucasfilm shutting down any of those

releases, or getting worried about the impact on their own future releases.

besides, it's not like there's a rush or anything.. good things take time,

i keep telling people that, and what happens? i get attacked, my personal

life gets attacked, and i get smeared by a lot of the people i thought i

could trust........  i'm funding this, so you don't have to worry about impact

on you... if its get done, great, we've done our part....

all i need is moral support..

and even that is hard to get.

be seeing you

+1

*pats -1 on the shoulder*
There, there, chin up little buddy!

;)

There are good quality prints out there. The AFI, BFI, and Library of Congress all have them. Lucas is the 800 pound gorilla that does not want them to be shown.

I wish the BFI or LOC would just have a free screening and "accidentally" show the originals. ;)

D0CT0R_W40 said:

I think that's the point, really.  It would be a wake up call to him.  Lucas used to be all about film preservation, I really don't know what's gotten into him.  It's like he's gotten drunk off of his power.

 

again, why would it be a wake up call? i feel like a broken record.

the HD versions that are out now, are awesome. yes, there's some

purists like us that want the originals.......   but in the many many revisions

that have come out, the originals are not the focus...

If a good quality print showed up under the table, after Lucas and 20th Century Fox both said the original was "lost" and the laserdiscs were "all the had"....they'd look like liars.  Rightfully so.  The only way they could redeem themselves is show off how amazing they are by releasing an official restored version of all three films...they'd turn into a big "look how amazing we are, this is the best restoration ever, THX, George Lucas is awesome" just like they did in 1997 (albeit with all the crap added on that time).

i have no idea how its going to come out, but i think people should

prepare themselves with lower expectations, its not like we're criterion,

or have access to the equipment, and money needed to really do it right..

George Lucas is avoiding Blu-Ray like the plague right now.  I'm not exactly sure why.  Well, I am sure why.  He's avoiding it so he'll be the last one to jump on board, so everyone will have waited, and everyone has adopted the new format.  Then he'll release everything Lucasfilm on Blu-Ray.  If that's not what he's waiting for I don't know what.

i'm avoiding blu-ray also.. its a dead format to me..(yes i have a burner),

but still, digital files have all but replaced it for me... i hate the DRM,

i hate SONY, and i hate everything associated with it (and yes, i'm still

a HD-DVD supporter)

Of course, if all they do is ignore it and look the other way....we'll still have a good HD print of it, and can then proceed with the other two films at some point in the future.

 well yes, we can hope that we'll something unique, just like the 8mm,

and the 16mm conversions..

be seeing you

+1

D0CT0R_W40 said:

the HD prints that are out now are not, by any means, awesome.  the colors are all off, and it's full of changes that most everyone is unhappy with.

 have you seen Adywans versions? they're excellent! i'm not talking

about the changes in the versions !!!!!!!! of course those are there.. but that's

what Lucas will release anyways, so i'm not comparing those..

thats what i meant.. but i'm happy with the wookiegroomer versions too..

be seeing you

+1

ryanvb said:

Why not just scan the altered scenes, and cut it together with Ady's color corrected HD version?  This would save a lot of time and money, at least as a starting point.  Not ideal, but at least something would be getting done.

great idea, but i think it would be a little unmatched with the sources

out there... but yeah, that would get it done real quick and dirty..

 

Anyways, a lot of this thread seems to be all talk, little action.  It's great to see guys like Puggo who actually go out and get this stuff done rather than just get everyone riled up for years.

 

well due to factors beyond my control, there was a long pause.

and it's only been 1 year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm trying,

i really am !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

be seeing you

+1

ryanvb said:

Why not just scan the altered scenes, and cut it together with Ady's color corrected HD version?  This would save a lot of time and money, at least as a starting point.  Not ideal, but at least something would be getting done.

As has been already said the HD have too many problems to do this. For one the blacks are totally crushed. Almost no detail  exists in the dark areas. The whole transfer of ANH as a whole was way too dark. ESB, on the other hand, is even worse. Not only is it too dark and has the unbelievably bad blue tint but they have raised the high levels way too much which completely destroys detail in the brighter areas. For an example just look at the SE window shots as they go for the dinner with Vader on Bespin. The buildings and sky have almost disappeared. Yes, i know those scenes wouldn't be used but this demonstrates some of the problems that is apparent in the non SE scenes also.

ryanvb said:

Anyways, a lot of this thread seems to be all talk, little action.  It's great to see guys like Puggo who actually go out and get this stuff done rather than just get everyone riled up for years.

You see , this is one thing i just don't get. Why do people demand immediate results? How is nothing being done when i have already said that a scanner is being modified to take 35mm reels . Things are getting done but i have said all along not to get your hopes up. It may not work.  Now people contacting professional transfer studios about transferring Star Wars is the biggest mistake and i would advise anyone doing or thinking about doing it to stop now. This is the quickest way for this to become a legal matter and get these prints confiscated. In  reality, doing this professionally is something i really don't think we should even attempt to do as it takes this down a completely different road. Lucasfilm have been great towards editors allowing them to do all the projects but this could well bring them down upon us all. I for one am not willing to take that risk.

When there is something to show then it will be, but its not a done deal by a long shot.

Anybody got $20K to spare for this beast? ;)

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There is also a best offer!!!

So thoughts on this? Wheres the guy who said he could bankroll this?

SilverWook said:

Anybody got $20K to spare for this beast? ;)

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Cintel's URSA DIAMOND TELECINE machine is only SD. Their C-Reality version is capable of HD.

CompMovieGuy said:

There is also a best offer!!!

So thoughts on this? Wheres the guy who said he could bankroll this?

 even if i could afford this (i can't), i wouldn't because shipping

would be a pain, and who would figure out how it works?

be seeing you

+1

adywan said:

SilverWook said:

Anybody got $20K to spare for this beast? ;)

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Cintel's URSA DIAMOND TELECINE machine is only SD. Their C-Reality version is capable of HD.

There isn't any way to strip it down and modify it then?

hope to hear some good news this week..

we'll see...

also, i have a little surprise...

granted its not much.....but HEY, at least

it will give you a little peace of mind..

i'll post some pictures on flickr...

and let you know what the link is soon...................................

(if all goes well)..

be seeing you

+1

While I understand the concerns over the scan resolution, a scan at full anamorphic DVD resolution, followed by a detailed and precise color correction/restoration, should give us much better overall picture quality than the official 2006 DVD set. For one, the resolution will be higher, plus when the files are being encoded into the DVD video there will no doubt be care taken to make sure there are no significant compression artifacts introduced. Thus resulting in a very clean video. The main concern I think is over scratch removal and such, if this can be done well, then the end result should look great.

Yes, it would be extra cool if we could scan in HD or 2k, but a good anamorphic DVD res video is better than what we have now and well worth doing. :) If we can have the 2006 GOUT pre-SE colors combined with full DVD res and good detailed picture quality, that is a huge gain for Star Wars fans. :)

That was maddeningly cryptic.

But all the same, thanks for popping in and I hope this good news is revealed soon if it indeed happens.

Bobocop said:

That was maddeningly cryptic.

But all the same, thanks for popping in and I hope this good news is revealed soon if it indeed happens.