Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal — Page 15

DarthPlagueis said:

I don't know if you even read my offer, or are even considering it,....<snip>......if you'd just scan these prints and in whatever way get the digitized copies to me

And I don't know if YOU even read MY response to the last time you said this... the problem is not what to do with the scanned prints.  The problem is getting the prints scanned in the first place.  Have you read any of the preceding thread?

Ady's news is great news.  I would love if this was available as both a faded version and a color-corrected version, in the far future of it possibly happening.  Just to remind people of the current state of the print:

Of course, these are flatbed scans by -1 by hand and are by no means perfect.  And this is only Reel 6, who knows about the state of the rest.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

DarthPlagueis said:

I don't know if you even read my offer, or are even considering it,..........if you'd just scan these prints and in whatever way get the digitized copies to me

And I don't know if YOU even read MY response to the last time you said this... the problem is not what to do with the scanned prints.  The problem is getting the prints scanned in the first place.  Have you read any of the preceding thread?

 it's all good..

i pm'ed darthPlagueis, and he's excited, but now understands

the situation.

be seeing you

+1

This is wonderful news, much thanks to negative1 and adywan!! :)

While it would be extra cool if these mods needed for the scan could be done to the newer scanner, I understand if can't be done that way (would these mods change the scanner permanently?). Full anamorphic DVD resolution is just fine! :) Or perhaps the scan would take place at a little higher than DVD res for the preservation/restoration work with the reference files, and then be brought back down to DVD video res specs for release after the work is done?

Imagine the GOUT with it's pre-1997 SE accurate colors, but with full DVD res and much better clarity, detail and general image quality! :)

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

DarthPlagueis said:

I don't know if you even read my offer, or are even considering it,..........if you'd just scan these prints and in whatever way get the digitized copies to me

And I don't know if YOU even read MY response to the last time you said this...

I have read all posts made since I made this remark, and there certainly wasn't any response coming from you to anything I've said. If there was - which would prove I'm blind lol - please prove me wrong. 

But since I'm quite certain there isn't any, I don't see any reason why you'd be so ... rude? I'm not offended, but please do not post these things without any thing to base it on.

the problem is not what to do with the scanned prints.  The problem is getting the prints scanned in the first place.  Have you read any of the preceding thread?

I'm sorry, but I don't have the time to read every thread from the first to the last page until I reply to it. If I would need to do this before replying to for example the Adywan Empire Revisited thread that would mean I'd have to read about 500 pages of information before being able to add my voice to the conversation. Sorry to disappoint but I just don't have the time to do that. I'm very sorry to disappoint if you expect otherwise.

I did do a quick skim through and I seemingly overlooked the fact negative1 didn't own the means to digitize these prints himself. I really was under the impression that he owned a TC machine. I was wrong and I admit it.

No offense meant and no offense taken.

P.S. I really admire your work. I hope to get my hands on one of your preservations one day.

~ Darth Plagueis

Dunedain said:

This is wonderful news, much thanks to negative1 and adywan!! :)

While it would be extra cool if these mods needed for the scan could be done to the newer scanner, I understand if can't be done that way (would these mods change the scanner permanently?). Full anamorphic DVD resolution is just fine! :) Or perhaps the scan would take place at a little higher than DVD res for the preservation/restoration work with the reference files, and then be brought back down to DVD video res specs for release after the work is done?

Imagine the GOUT with it's pre-1997 SE accurate colors, but with full DVD res and much better clarity, detail and general image quality! :)

Unfortunately it wouldn't be possible to use the new scanner. For this mod he is having to rip the old one apart and make some major modifications. Something i don't blame him not wanting to do to his very expensive new one.

I haven't any updates because i'm waiting to hear back from him as to how the mod is going. One thing though is that i'm not going to mislead you into thinking that this is 100% going ahead and will be done this year. In all likelihood it could take a year at least to get this done. If the mod to the scanner fails to work good enough then we are back to square one. Now  there would be another option which would be using the film adapter for the new scanner. but this only takes up to 50 frames or so at a time so the print would have to be cut into 50 frame sections. As you can understand this would not be an option ever.

One thing i want to say though is that the guy who has the scanner and is doing the mod work will NOT be doing the scanning of the print. I will be handling that side of things. The less people that are involved with this the better.

Yes, that's the best way to handle it, sounds good. :)

DarthPlagueis said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

DarthPlagueis said:

I don't know if you even read my offer, or are even considering it,..........if you'd just scan these prints and in whatever way get the digitized copies to me

And I don't know if YOU even read MY response to the last time you said this...

I have read all posts made since I made this remark, and there certainly wasn't any response coming from you to anything I've said. If there was - which would prove I'm blind lol - please prove me wrong. 

But since I'm quite certain there isn't any, I don't see any reason why you'd be so ... rude? I'm not offended, but please do not post these things without any thing to base it on.

My response wasn't a post... I had sent you a PM.  <<edit>> - After reviewing my outbound PM box, I can't find my outbound PM to you.  So it looks like something went wrong and my PM never was sent.  If that's true, I apologize for my post.

That's strange. The only PM i've had came from negative1 and dates from august 14th... that's the last one.

See?

Really strange. Perhaps one of the mods could check this out for me please? I must say I was expecting some replies to PM's i've sent recently, and none came through.

Maybe you have to make sure the right letters are uppercase. So you'll have to type DarthPlagueis instead of darthplagueis. Can that be the solution?

Please, if I didn't get your messages... send them again, if possible.

And Puggo, very sorry for the inconvenience. As you see I didn't get your message so I couldn't read it. I guess our little misunderstanding has been sorted out, then? You don't have to resend your message as I now get the point. (Except for if something else was in it that you wanted to let me know)

~Darth Plagueis

EDIT: I was still writing my original post when you edited yours. Yeah, I didn't get any message. Perhaps the uppercase problem? I don't know. But anyway, apology accepted, captain Puggo. I hope I didn't come off too rude either... Not my intention.

sorry again,

i know i was bad at updating the status of this..

i hope to have some good news next monday..

adywan/l'll let you know once things advance further

be seeing you

+1

digitalfreaknyc said:

I'd hate to be the party pooper but...damn.  SD only is a serious bummer.  DVD is so ridiculously backwards.  My interest in this just dwindled to nil. 

Don't think that i don't appreciate the time and effort of those involved but is it really worth it for just a DVD version?

Shouldn't we wait to do the real "work" when the job can be done properly and the best that it can?  What if something happens to one of the reels on an SD-only project?  Wouldn't it seem like an "all for nothing" situation if it were ruined for a DVD?

Just my thoughts.  I dont' mean to offend.

yes, a HD version would be the ideal, but lets face it we have to be realistic here. No professional transfer house will touch this with a barge pole. Even a DVD version will still be better than what we have now: the GOUT.

A nice DVD of this would be awesome, and if youre not interested then sorry

Something of better quality would be great too as well but if a DVD is gonna be it I would still be interested

And nyc, the capture is/would be the same (if I read it right on what is being done) so if the reel messed up during the capture it would make no difference if it was for an SD or HD project....cause if theyre using a modded scanner, then the scans are gonna be in HD

Thorr, if it could be done that easily, it would have been done already.

You're talking about a HELL of a lot of time, effort, work, and hard-drive space. The framing/positioning of every frame would have to be absolutely perfect, and that's hard enough to do with a hand full of frames...nevermind almost 15000 of them !

So, in short........you're crazy. :D

The only way this would ever work as HD is if you scan ONLY the non-SE footage to replace the SE footage, and then combine it with the existing HD broadcast of the 'unaltered' remainder. And even that would be a huge undertaking- just replacing a few minutes of SE footage would consist of thousands of frames. 

Scanning every single frame in HD (over 180,000 of them)......never gonna happen.

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but I'm just being realistic.

adywan said:

 Even a DVD version will still be better than what we have now: the GOUT.

A SD scan would hardly be worth the effort, IMO. I don't think the results would be even close to the tremendous results G-force & dark_jedi are getting from the GOUT with the stabilization scripts.

budwhite said:

A SD scan would hardly be worth the effort, IMO. I don't think the results would be even close to the tremendous results G-force & dark_jedi are getting from the GOUT with the stabilization scripts.

 

 

 

 Intresting point

Not really.