Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 116

I'd love to see something like this in the Endor ground battle :

http://www.geekologie.com/2007/12/star_wars_atat_wins_modeling_c.php

The problem there is you have so little to build a stealthy raid of a well armed fortress with and it isn't the sort of story the dialogue suggests.

The story as it stands is a trap which backfires on the trapper due to vectors not deemed worthy of consideration (specifically the Ewoks and Lando).  It's more like the end of Dune where the uncounted, supposed savages topple every arm of an advanced Empire by their familarity with their terrain and not being considered a threat.

The Empire always make the mistake of ignoring the small in favour of the big (that's how the first Death Star was destroyed).

Because that's the story as it stands the shield base has too look relatively unprotected, the Rebels have to pretty much walk in to get captured so changing that story into the sort of scenerio you suggest would require a remake (arguably the rescue of the Princess in ANH is that sort of story and there just isn't enough footage to build that kind of tale on).

Keeping the story as it was but enhancing it to the point where it makes more sense seems more doable.

The number of troops and equipment that await the captured Rebels when they are lead outside (and I could never figure out why they were lead outside in the first place but that's another problem with this act of the film, perhaps dubbing in a voice calling for the other Rebels to surrender or their leaders will be executed would provide a motive) is too small.

It's exactly the amount of troops you would expect to based at the shield complex anyway and not as the Emperor suggests an entire Legion of his best troops on top of those who would have been there.

The Ewoks have so many traps already laid it doesn't make sense that they could be there overnight. The only way around that is that they have already been planning to attack the base and have already been killing the Imperials.

The flaw in ROTJ isn't so much the story but the execution of it, it lacks due scale and the focus is in the wrong place.

The Ewoks don't really defeat the Empire, the Empire's own hubris defeats them, they throw all the technology and troops into the battle but refuse to acknowledge the little people.

Also it's much easier to add more troops, Ewoks and model elements into forest footage three decades on than adding more Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford into sets.

Bingowings said:

The Ewoks have so many traps already laid it doesn't make sense that they could be there overnight. The only way around that is that they have already been planning to attack the base and have already been killing the Imperials.

The flaw in ROTJ isn't so much the story but the execution of it, it lacks due scale and the focus is in the wrong place.

The Ewoks don't really defeat the Empire, the Empire's own hubris defeats them, they throw all the technology and troops into the battle but refuse to acknowledge the little people.

Also it's much easier to add more troops, Ewoks and model elements into forest footage three decades on than adding more Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford into sets.

 

 

I always thought those traps were already set for the giant Goraxes and whatnot, then the Ewoks used them on the Empire. The in-universe explanation.

Trapping the wild creatures of Endor could provide a new interesting weapon for the Ewoks to use (recyling the Wampa subplot for a new version of Jedi).

Personally I'd prefer the Ewoks to have been fighting the Empire but if those traps were for keeping predators at bay, turning those predators against their new enemy would be a nice re-use of dropped concept from ESB.

Bingowings said:

Trapping the wild creatures of Endor could provide a new interesting weapon for the Ewoks to use (recyling the Wampa subplot for a new version of Jedi).

Personally I'd prefer the Ewoks to have been fighting the Empire but if those traps were for keeping predators at bay, turning those predators against their new enemy would be a nice re-use of dropped concept from ESB.

Maybe just using possible shots from the Ewoks movies were they preparing traps (if it ever exist, don't remember) could be useful somehow?

Just cut the 3PO " oh my god they'll be captured!" scene, and it will look like they planned this (?)

Maybe color correct those  "working on trap-A-team-look-a-like" scenes like if they work at night. But again, I don't remember if such scenes exist.

I wouldn't use actual scenes for replacement shots as very few fit and it's in a very different aspect ratio but they could be used as sources for elements to build bigger shots.

None of the creatures in those films really work (the stop motion is awful) but some of the designs were workable if new models could be made.

hey, i have been following this thread for a while now, and been thinking about this foto that Cade Skywalker posted a while ago:

now this is just i wild "idear", sort of, depending on if anyone has said it before :P

anyway, would it be posible to rotoscope (or something fancy like that), most of the movie, in a way, so it does take place on courosant, and insted of a battle with the death star, the rebellion would try to seige the capital instead

The reason for this is that the alliance has discovered that the stormtroppers or some other thing tying to the empires defence system on courosant can be turned of, and that is what han and their team are doing, not on endor, but on kamino (now this would require a lot of rotoscoping), and instead of ewoks make the kamino'ens that have joined the battle, by using footage where Han and the others of his team are talking to the kaminoens, but tweeking it a bit,  of course there still is the question of why they are wearing camouflage clothing (this would also require someone who is good at effects work), but then again it is almost an impossible task, tell me what you think, and sorry if i got of topic.

That's a nice idea Kongerne, but I agree with the poster above that it's way too much. Still, that's a cool picture.

Wasn't Return of the Jedi supposed to be set at Coruscant (then called Had Abbandon or something like that) and wasn't Endor supposed to be that planet's moon and the homeworld of the Wookiees?

I'm just thinking aloud here, but could it be possible to work those ideas in an edit of ROTJ? It would require a lot of work though. The scenes on board of the Death Star could be set in the Emperor's palace by rotoscoping Coruscant outside of the window as Kongerne suggested.

Endor could easily be turned into Kashyyyk, they are both forest worlds. There is some blue screen footage of Wookiees on the ROTS DVD that might be usable too.

As I said, just thinking aloud...but a change of scenery might help ROTJ.

If you change the Death Star into coruscant at the end you also need to change the admiral Ackbar breefing. And although the audience was told that the Death Star is not yet operational, it would be odd to not see it by the end of the movie as it is set as a major plot in the begining of the movie. The whole Emperor's plot is that the rebels must think that the Death Star is not operational, but it is.

What would be the emperor's great plot if the end was set on coruscant? I'm sure we could find something, but not without changing the whole movie and redubbing a lot of characters... I don't think it could work.

yeah okay, it is a diffecult one ain't it.

how about this then, like SilverKey said, about it being Kashyk (not sure how to spell it correctly), and by using footage from ROTS incorporate the wookies to be part of the Alliance? that whould help the movie a lot, and it is doable with the footage that there is (even though this would meen the eventuel, and hopefully better cut of ROTS). i like the ideer of the death star circling coursant DarthPlagueis,but instead of wreckage from the death star, how about (and this can be done in many ways) that we see the alliance ships land on courosant, and by using blue screen, or what ever gizmoes, the alliance "storm the castle" so to say, they either walk into the room where vader has just trown the emporer down the hole, and look at luke, who sees them, and there is a silence(if it is possible to make this, and yes it would take someone beyond the skills of a common fan editor :P, still wishfull thinking :P). then we cut to han and lea who looks up at the death star, then pans to courosant (or how ever you spell it), and han says:"i am sure luke's alright", lea says:"i know he is" and so on. then new shot of luke burning vader, on courosant, then the shot of the croud destroying the statue from the celebration clip. then the last shot of luke going to be with his friends on kashyk, the ghost, the end. how about that then? :D

One of  the script variations with the Imperial city also had the two Death Stars being built around the forest moon of the capital world (bringing the final fight nearer to the centre of the web).

But in that version the Emperor's throne room was deep underground and surrounded by lava.

It might be nice to see a revival and enhancement of the Star Destroyer gunner room from ANH in the space battle (where the officers contemplate shooting down the escape pod).

It could be used for showing Star Destroyers targeting fighter craft as the gun doesn't look big enough to do much damage to the capital ships.

As always please forgive the roughness of this mockup :