STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 309

Mr Ghostface said:

GE Predator:

I believe that I can explain that.  For 19 years, Luke and Obi-Wan lived on Tattooine, a desert planet with two suns.  My theory is that those who are not native to Tattooine may experience some excessive aging over a period of years due to the two sun.  And as we know from the prequels, Luke and Obi-Wan were not born on Tattooine.

Works for me. After all, look at Owen and Beru. Those harsh Tatooine desert winds and blazing sunshine "is doing murder to mesa skin".

 

Other than the joke about Luke's age, I was not referring to age as in appearance. I meant in physical fitness. Dooku certainly looks even older in the PT than Obi Wan does in the OT, yet Dooku is a seriously athletic duelist while Obi Wan looks like... an old man who someone handed a lightsaber and said "see that guy in black? Try to beat him up with this."

Keep in mind I'm not talking about the limits of the actors, or CGI heads on young bodies, but the characters themselves. I don't think two suns would make Obi Wan lose his skills over time.

As for the idea that he was out of practice, I want to make a counterpoint...

Shaolin Monks, no matter how old they get, keep on practicing their martial arts, not because they want to keep up their practice for fun, but because it is their culture, their way of life. I've always assumed the Jedi are supposed to be very similar to this (the use of temples, training from youth, etc.) So, despite having the temple destroyed and being chased off into hiding, wouldn't Obi Wan continue his practices as a Jedi? After all, it is his culture! On a remote planet, in the privacy of his home, why would he not be able to practice Jedi techniques, both physically, spiritually (or with the force, in this matter), and mentally?

But none of this really matters, since ANH has been filmed over 30 years ago, and the Obi Wan duel we got is the only duel we will ever get. Only Ady's re-editing has made him appear faster.

G E Predator said:

oh_riginal said:

Mr Ghostface said:

GE Predator:

I believe that I can explain that.  For 19 years, Luke and Obi-Wan lived on Tattooine, a desert planet with two suns.  My theory is that those who are not native to Tattooine may experience some excessive aging over a period of years due to the two sun.  And as we know from the prequels, Luke and Obi-Wan were not born on Tattooine.

Works for me. After all, look at Owen and Beru. Those harsh Tatooine desert winds and blazing sunshine "is doing murder to mesa skin".

 

 

Other than the joke about Luke's age, I was not referring to age as in appearance. I meant in physical fitness. Dooku certainly looks even older in the PT than Obi Wan does in the OT, yet Dooku is a seriously athletic duelist while Obi Wan looks like... an old man who someone handed a lightsaber and said "see that guy in black? Try to beat him up with this."

Keep in mind I'm not talking about the limits of the actors, or CGI heads on young bodies, but the characters themselves. I don't think two suns would make Obi Wan lose his skills over time.

As for the idea that he was out of practice, I want to make a counterpoint...

Shaolin Monks, no matter how old they get, keep on practicing their martial arts, not because they want to keep up their practice for fun, but because it is their culture, their way of life. I've always assumed the Jedi are supposed to be very similar to this (the use of temples, training from youth, etc.) So, despite having the temple destroyed and being chased off into hiding, wouldn't Obi Wan continue his practices as a Jedi? After all, it is his culture! On a remote planet, in the privacy of his home, why would he not be able to practice Jedi techniques, both physically, spiritually (or with the force, in this matter), and mentally?

But none of this really matters, since ANH has been filmed over 30 years ago, and the Obi Wan duel we got is the only duel we will ever get. Only Ady's re-editing has made him appear faster.

 

Okay, let's say that Obi-Wan did keep in practice while in solitude on Tattooine.  He was also watching over Luke as he had vowed to do after Padme died and Anakin (who was thought to be dead) had been lost to the darkside.  Keeping Luke out of trouble all the while keeping out of site of Owen Lars might have been quite a chore for Obi-Wan that he did not keep in practice with his saber techniques as often as he did when he was part of the old Jedi Order.

BTW, I'm not contradicting your statement.  I'm just throwing in a possible explanation.

I don't know, that sounds like a bit of a stretch. Surely it shouldn't be hard for a Jedi of Obi Wan's legacy to secretly keep an eye on young Luke?

I just hate the idea because it sounds like something Lucas would actually use, and make a TV show about... "The Whacky Misadventures of Young Luke Skywalker!" also starring Obi Wan, who teaches Luke a valuable lesson at the end of each episode, like buying an apple from the store instead of a candy bar, cause it's nutritious!

G E Predator said:

oh_riginal said:

G E Predator said:

oh_riginal said:

Mr Ghostface said:

GE Predator:

I believe that I can explain that.  For 19 years, Luke and Obi-Wan lived on Tattooine, a desert planet with two suns.  My theory is that those who are not native to Tattooine may experience some excessive aging over a period of years due to the two sun.  And as we know from the prequels, Luke and Obi-Wan were not born on Tattooine.

Works for me. After all, look at Owen and Beru. Those harsh Tatooine desert winds and blazing sunshine "is doing murder to mesa skin".

 

 

Other than the joke about Luke's age, I was not referring to age as in appearance. I meant in physical fitness. Dooku certainly looks even older in the PT than Obi Wan does in the OT, yet Dooku is a seriously athletic duelist while Obi Wan looks like... an old man who someone handed a lightsaber and said "see that guy in black? Try to beat him up with this."

Keep in mind I'm not talking about the limits of the actors, or CGI heads on young bodies, but the characters themselves. I don't think two suns would make Obi Wan lose his skills over time.

As for the idea that he was out of practice, I want to make a counterpoint...

Shaolin Monks, no matter how old they get, keep on practicing their martial arts, not because they want to keep up their practice for fun, but because it is their culture, their way of life. I've always assumed the Jedi are supposed to be very similar to this (the use of temples, training from youth, etc.) So, despite having the temple destroyed and being chased off into hiding, wouldn't Obi Wan continue his practices as a Jedi? After all, it is his culture! On a remote planet, in the privacy of his home, why would he not be able to practice Jedi techniques, both physically, spiritually (or with the force, in this matter), and mentally?

But none of this really matters, since ANH has been filmed over 30 years ago, and the Obi Wan duel we got is the only duel we will ever get. Only Ady's re-editing has made him appear faster.

 

Okay, let's say that Obi-Wan did keep in practice while in solitude on Tattooine.  He was also watching over Luke as he had vowed to do after Padme died and Anakin (who was thought to be dead) had been lost to the darkside.  Keeping Luke out of trouble all the while keeping out of site of Owen Lars might have been quite a chore for Obi-Wan that he did not keep in practice with his saber techniques as often as he did when he was part of the old Jedi Order.

BTW, I'm not contradicting your statement.  I'm just throwing in a possible explanation.

 

I don't know, that sounds like a bit of a stretch. Surely it shouldn't be hard for a Jedi of Obi Wan's legacy to secretly keep an eye on young Luke?

I just hate the idea because it sounds like something Lucas would actually use, and make a TV show about... "The Whacky Misadventures of Young Luke Skywalker!" also starring Obi Wan, who teaches Luke a valuable lesson at the end of each episode, like buying an apple from the store instead of a candy bar, cause it's nutritious!

Forgive me for saying so, but I don't see anything bad about that.  I mean, can any of us really come up with something better?

What would be you're explanation to why Obi-Wan doesn't move as fast in ANH like he did in ROTS?

 

What I see bad about that is it contradicts Luke's feelings as a character in ANH. He is supposed to be extremely bored with his life, knowing there is so much more out there in the universe, and the only fun he gets out of life pre-ANH is from practicing flying through canyons. Obi Wan was just there to do exactly as he said he would do: keep an eye on him. And I'm sure he did just fine, with little effort.

And to honestly answer your question, I don't have an explanation... that's my problem!

Forum members' / ady's thoughts on this particular suggestion?  I always thought it was a continuity error worthy of fixing (no less so than the gaff moments earlier, fixed by the red R2 unit), but maybe I'm alone in thinking so.

corellian77 said:

Forum members' / ady's thoughts on this particular suggestion?  I always thought it was a continuity error worthy of fixing (no less so than the gaff moments earlier, fixed by the red R2 unit), but maybe I'm alone in thinking so.

I agree that this is worthy of fixing. R2's appearance could be postponed, or just removed if the shot doesn't last long enough.

I like the idea as well.

I think i need to step in before it gets out of control.

IF, and its a very big if, i do a v2 DVD it will only have 2 changes at the most:- the spinning starfield and maybe the torture droid needle. Nothing else. The V2 would only really be done if i decide to do an audio commentary track. I don't want to do any more work on ANH. There is no point suggesting fixes and changes because, i'm sorry, but they just won't happen. I really need to move forward, not back.

I hope you understand :)

adywan said:

I think i need to step in before it gets out of control.

IF, and its a very big if, i do a v2 DVD it will only have 2 changes at the most:- the spinning starfield and maybe the torture droid needle. Nothing else. The V2 would only really be done if i decide to do an audio commentary track. I don't want to do any more work on ANH. There is no point suggesting fixes and changes because, i'm sorry, but they just won't happen. I really need to move forward, not back.

I hope you understand :)

 

Sorry ady, I was under the impression that ANH:R v2, if done, might have been open to more alterations than those which you mentioned.  I certainly didn't mean to seem as if I'm unhappy with ANH:R -- quite the opposite: I love it.

I guess your "moving forward" can only bode well for those of us anxiously awaiting ESB:R :)

^That's true. It's hard sometimes when we don't get a daily update. Haha.

It's still great to throw ideas around, but now that the matter is somewhat closed, it should maybe be done somewhere else ('Can anything be done...' etc...) I still figure someone will make a post ANH:R version of their own. We know that Adywan has given his blessing for serious editors to use it as a base, and there have been tons of great ideas that could be implemented.

^Yeah, I know. That's what I meant by 'Can anything be done...' ;)

Good glaven!

HOYVIN-GLAYVIN! I must admit that I am very impressed with ANH:R, with the colours and the sfx and the - Mw-hurgn-whey - DVD menus.

And the hey hey hey it hurts me...