Bingowings said:hairy_hen said:I agree with ABC: this topic is nuts.
Star Wars the original is practically perfect as is, even with minor fx mistakes, and messing with it further only hurts the movie. The most anyone should ever have done with it visually is remove matte lines and garbage boxes and so forth. Nothing else, please!
ABC said:>> Can anything else be done to ANH after Adywan? <<
... Yes: the same on blue-ray !
I think this topic is crazy. :)
We all want the original versions of these films available to the highest possible standard to purchase (it's why most of us joined up here in the first place).
But Lucas himself opened the door when he himself started making changes.
As a version of the SE (not Star Wars 1977) ANH:R is the best incarnation I've seen so far but it's not the last word on reworking the SE idea into something that corrects errors, adds a few flourishes and fits the tone of the story better.
It's an ideas thread for people who want to do that, therefore it's only a crazy topic if you don't want to do that, in which case why post on thread?
There are threads already for discussing the pros and cons of the SE.
My view is that if a SE exists already we might as well try and make it better than the two Lucas put out, that does undermine the call for getting the original versions released one jot.
Don't mistake my friends... I was talking about Ady's version for the Blue-Ray !!!
Only Ady made himself several versions to make everyone agree, and happy with it. And we still find this topic making people talk about what more can be done: THAT is what I call crazy.
Note that what is not explained in the OT makes it far above the Prequels (as all that is explained in it kills it all the time). So my thoughts are that all the stuff ADY have set right is done wisely... Very equilibrated. And the question of the thread itself shows a little incomprehension of such an effort. I think.
ADY said (a little above): Sometime less is more. And that's it !
So... Here's the stupid question again:
- Can anything else be done to ANH after Adywan ?
- My answer is:
Hey guys, stop asking, stop talking: DO or DO NOT ! Words are wind.
... AND JUST THANK ADYWAN !!!
(... And sign a petition to ask Lucasfilm for they edit his version... Because now it's ours !).
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Just curious, does anyone think that ANH:R surpasses even the 1977 version of Star Wars? I have great respect for the original film, but I think that ANH:R feels more "timeless" and is an excellent restoration of the movie. By this, I don't mean to downplay the immense amount of work Lucas put into Star Wars, but I think ANH:R is the best the movie EVER looked, SE or not.
*No bashing, please*
To a degree I would agree, GI. I posted my niggles back on the first page (I think) as far as what would be the perfect SE version for me. But whether ANH:R is more timeless than the original, I think it is a matter of simply being able to make me feel like 7 years old again and remembering what it was like seeing STAR WARS for the first time - as in, WOW, I didn't know that was possible!
I may have mentioned it before, but regardless of the emperor's theme in the briefing room, or the Duel of the Fates while Ben and Vader are having at it, the Falcon escape and the Last Battle always get me jumping up and down.
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There are certainly some things that surpass the original in terms of believability and continuity. (which even LFL addressed to a certain extent in the SEs; one being adding ropes around Han's legs when he's trying to pull Lando back up into the skiff)
I do believe Lucas would watch the Death Star battle, for instance, and think 'that's how I wanted it to look!' I've always felt the original looked timeless (I'd watch it on TV and think 'I can't believe this is so old!'...despite it being released the year I was born, haha), but the ANH:R version just makes it even more fresh.
Well, I think anyone who would say ANH:R surpasses even the 1977 version can only be referring to whether Adywan has restored the movie better than we have so far seen it. In that sense, it's a valid question, but if you mean he's made a better movie, then absolutely not.
Yes, it'll always be the same great movie, just...gussied up. ;) The continuity issue is big for a lot of people in determining whether a movie is 'better' or not. I'm not stuck on continuity myself, but I certainly have a good appreciation for it! Especially in those things you see once, then cannot un-see. Haha. :)
Gussied up. LOL Whenever I hear that expression I think of Marge Simpson gussying up her kitchen curtains.
I know what you mean about not being able to "unsee" things! But hey, dare I say it, it's only a movie.
It's only a movie, sure, but it's often those little, almost inconsequential things that bug humans the most! Heh.
I must admit that I didn't even know about the large majority of the errors in the movie before I got into Adywan's and Darth Editous' edits of Star Wars. Some were obvious, but most passed me by because I don't look for those things. Seeing them now doesn't lessen my love of the originals, though. I am able to just smile and get on with my life when I see them watching the original versions, but as I said, I have a big appreciation for seeing them fixed, too. :)
Me too, as long as a fix works. That's the subjective part. I saw an interesting Q&A with Ridley Scott talking about Blade Runner: The Final Cut and one interesting thing he said was that, when they were sitting down to go through a very thorough list of continuity errors and FX errors and every other type of error, he was rather surprised by just how important people felt some things were. In the end, he said all the major issues were corrected, but probably 80% of the minor things were just ignored. When he was then asked why, he said, in his usual pragmatic way, "they're just not important". I've got to agree with that.
ABC said :
Hey guys, stop asking, stop talking: DO or DO NOT ! Words are wind.
Sharing ideas is a good way to assist people in the doing, there have been some really good concepts kicked around on the various ideas threads, some of which have been picked up and others may be picked up in the future.
Darth Venal said:Well, I think anyone who would say ANH:R surpasses even the 1977 version can only be referring to whether Adywan has restored the movie better than we have so far seen it. In that sense, it's a valid question, but if you mean he's made a better movie, then absolutely not.
That's basically what I mean. I'm not saying it's a better movie, just the best looking version of the movie I've ever seen. Although the better look of the movie in Revisited really does make the experience better for me. :)
I desperately want restored copies of the OOT in high quality, but that being said, I don't know that I'd sit down and watch Star Wars too frequently; for me, the definitive version of this movie is ANH:R. The 97 and 2004 SEs can just fade away silently into the night, and I'll never miss them. But it would indeed be a crime to see Star Wars77 (and its two sequels, of course) forever blotted out of cinema history.
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Bingowings said:ABC said :
Hey guys, stop asking, stop talking: DO or DO NOT ! Words are wind.
Sharing ideas is a good way to assist people in the doing, there have been some really good concepts kicked around on the various ideas threads, some of which have been picked up and others may be picked up in the future.
Ok but now that one of the best rendition of ANH has been done, why not proposing something else, different. I mean Ady's work is not what I would call a fan-edit: it's a true restauration (with very little bits of fan edits).
"So what else can be done?" - Ok. And forget Ady's work: it's done, and it's been done in respect to everyone's expectations. Proof is here.
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ABC said:Ok but now that one of the best rendition of ANH has been done, why not proposing something else, different. I mean Ady's work is not what I would call a fan-edit: it's a true restauration (with very little bits of fan edits).
"So what else can be done?" - Ok. And forget Ady's work: it's done, and it's been done in respect to everyone's expectations. Proof is here.
Let's take it easy with the "restoration" description being applied to ANH:R. The color-correction aspect could be described as restoration, yes. But this is a fan-edit of the highest-order. And I mean that in a complimentary manner, both in what Ady strove for and what he achieved.
With that said, NOTHING tops SW77 for me, followed by ANH81. ANH:R is a nice occasional alternative, but it's not a replacement for my viewing. I watch Star Wars probably once every 2 months, fwiw.
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Very well expressed. Adywan really has created a fan edit of the highest order. It's a labour of love, and it shows. But it doesn't top Star Wars in its theatrical form, and no fan edit ever really can. To consider such things is to wipe out the colossal cultural impact Star Wars had, unblemished, for 20 years. No fan edit should be able to do that.
Darth Venal said:Very well expressed. Adywan really has created a fan edit of the highest order. It's a labour of love, and it shows. But it doesn't top Star Wars in its theatrical form, and no fan edit ever really can. To consider such things is to wipe out the colossal cultural impact Star Wars had, unblemished, for 20 years. No fan edit should be able to do that.
Of course, no fan edit could ever top Star Wars in its theatrical release. As I had pointed out in another forum weeks ago, had it not been for the theatrical release of Star Wars, we wouldn't have any of the amazing fan-films or fan-edits, or even this website.
G E Predator said:Darth Venal said:Very well expressed. Adywan really has created a fan edit of the highest order. It's a labour of love, and it shows. But it doesn't top Star Wars in its theatrical form, and no fan edit ever really can. To consider such things is to wipe out the colossal cultural impact Star Wars had, unblemished, for 20 years. No fan edit should be able to do that.
Of course, no fan edit could ever top Star Wars in its theatrical release. As I had pointed out in another forum weeks ago, had it not been for the theatrical release of Star Wars, we wouldn't have any of the amazing fan-films or fan-edits, or even this website.
Hell we wouldn't have fan edits or this website if the special editions weren't the only way to watch a decent quality version of star wars. If they had just cleaned up the movie and maybe just maybe re-rotoscoped the sabers and blasters all would be well. I am puzzled as to why George doesn't want to release these masterpieces in higher quality than laserdisc. Hell he won't even release his beloved special editions on blu ray. 10 years ago I thought that George Lucas was a film and sound quality god. His films were this representation of the picture and audio quality on the planet. He used to grasp the latest technological achievements by the balls to make his films look just a tad better. Now Blu Ray has been out for what 4 years and he can't even release the god awful special editions or his horrible prequels on blu ray. It is a shame that many star wars fans get shit on every 5 years. 1080p is the standard today and the only way I can see the OUT is in 480p.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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EyeShotFirst said:G E Predator said:Darth Venal said:Very well expressed. Adywan really has created a fan edit of the highest order. It's a labour of love, and it shows. But it doesn't top Star Wars in its theatrical form, and no fan edit ever really can. To consider such things is to wipe out the colossal cultural impact Star Wars had, unblemished, for 20 years. No fan edit should be able to do that.
Of course, no fan edit could ever top Star Wars in its theatrical release. As I had pointed out in another forum weeks ago, had it not been for the theatrical release of Star Wars, we wouldn't have any of the amazing fan-films or fan-edits, or even this website.
Hell we wouldn't have fan edits or this website if the special editions weren't the only way to watch a decent quality version of star wars. If they had just cleaned up the movie and maybe just maybe re-rotoscoped the sabers and blasters all would be well. I am puzzled as to why George doesn't want to release these masterpieces in higher quality than laserdisc. Hell he won't even release his beloved special editions on blu ray. 10 years ago I thought that George Lucas was a film and sound quality god. His films were this representation of the picture and audio quality on the planet. He used to grasp the latest technological achievements by the balls to make his films look just a tad better. Now Blu Ray has been out for what 4 years and he can't even release the god awful special editions or his horrible prequels on blu ray. It is a shame that many star wars fans get shit on every 5 years. 1080p is the standard today and the only way I can see the OUT is in 480p.
"The boy has no patients" - Yoda XD
Seriously, my friend, don't get so over worked. Have faith that Lucasfilms will eventually release a High Definition version of all six films and with the option to view either enhanced or theatrical versions.
As the old saying goes, "good things come to those who can wait." I'm not saying to wait forever. I'm just saying, "Let's not hate. Instead, let's appreciate."
Could we please now get this thread back on topic as it is about identifying further alterations/enhancements to the SE and not about OUT or how great (or not) ANH:R is?
So... That's where this topic is nuts ! Why do the title refer to Adywan's edit then ? We're not so off-topic ! :)
Ok, let go.
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Well I think anyone would tell you the definitive version of Star Wars came out in 1977. The definitive special edition, however, is ANH: R, for me. And since the only version of the 77 film (plus ANH title anyway) is an old VHS, and me ony having one VHS player left in the house, ANH: R will be the version I watch most of the time.
G E Predator said:"The boy has no patients"
What is he, a doctor?
:P
Bobocop said:G E Predator said:"The boy has no patients"
What is he, a doctor?
:P
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ABC Adywan is mentioned in the title of this thread because nobody else as yet as attempted to do the sort of restructuring of the SE that he achieved.
That doesn't mean that ANH:R is the last word on attempting something of this nature which is why I started this thread.
If you haven't anything to add to the thread that is in keeping with it's stated purpose could you please not post here.
Otherwise please stay on topic.
My last off-topic comment and then I'll get back to it:
EyeShotFirst:Now Blu Ray has been out for what 4 years and he can't even release the god awful special editions or his horrible prequels on blu ray. It is a shame that many star wars fans get shit on every 5 years. 1080p is the standard today and the only way I can see the OUT is in 480p.
Well, let's not be silly about this. He didn't release the DVDs of the original trilogy SEs immediately either. Blu-ray became commercially just over three years ago (June 2006), and there are thousands of movies not yet released. This is not something to criticise Lucas alone for. He didn't release ANH until six years after DVD was launched. I agree, it's incredibly annoying that he won't release the original theatrical movies at a good image level, but who is to say we won't get them later? After all, he is working on yet further-revised editions, so perhaps we will get a deluxe Blade Runner: The Final Cut treatment.
Speaking of further-revised editions, that skilfully brings me back on topic :-)
Bingowings:nobody else as yet as attempted to do the sort of restructuring of the SE that he achieved.
Well, restructuring is a bit inaccurate. Adywan hasn't really restructured anything. He reordered the scene in Ben's house, with mixed results, and he's added new shots here and there is an extended battle at the end, but none of this actually restructures the movie. It still functions exactly the same as before; dramatically, nothing has been altered and most of the changes are superficial. Don't mistake this as being negative, I honestly respect Ady's work and I know very well just how much time and effort he's dedicated to it. But as fan edits go, I've seen far more significant restructuring done to other movies, although most of them don't work very well. I'm sure Ady never had any intention of actually restructuring Star Wars, and I'm sure most fans would argue that the theatrical edition didn't really need anything doing to it beyond a decent restoration (which Ady did far better than Lucas).