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Ah, but think of it this way: putting his son before himself like that is an act of selflessness ("not for him, but for his son") which in fact causes Anakin to become the good man that - presuming the PT to be true - he never really was.

Just a thought. Personally, I'd probably never watch an edit that incorporated PT footage into OT footage like that, but if you were to do an edit like that, this could be one "spin" to put on it: a non-redemptive motive results in a redemptive act of selflessness.

46fleetline said:

i hope info gets back in the game, can't stress enough how i like his edits too.

Me too. :(

I'd also like to stress again that the scenes from Reborn that A-man used were not finished!  The prologue for example was cut in half and I think would have eventually been cut all together.  There is a newer cut of Reborn that was completely different from what ID outlined.  Sadly I don't think it will ever see the light of day.  Especially now.

You guys have no idea how I wish I would have never uploaded anything.  It's a mistake I made that won't happen again.  It makes me sick to think that the scenes we worked on are being shown in this way and for that I blame you A-MAN. 

You knew they weren't finished and we didn't want them included. You choose to ignore that and use them anyway.  Thanks alot dude.

tjdavis1138 said:

46fleetline said:

i hope info gets back in the game, can't stress enough how i like his edits too.

Me too. :(

I'd also like to stress again that the scenes from Reborn that A-man used were not finished!  The prologue for example was cut in half and I think would have eventually been cut all together.  There is a newer cut of Reborn that was completely different from what ID outlined.  Sadly I don't think it will ever see the light of day.  Especially now.

You guys have no idea how I wish I would have never uploaded anything.  It's a mistake I made that won't happen again.  It makes me sick to think that the scenes we worked on are being shown in this way and for that I blame you A-MAN. 

You knew they weren't finished and we didn't want them included. You choose to ignore that and use them anyway.  Thanks alot dude.

 

Apparently people are watching clips without reading my posts. I mentioned that this is a ROUGH OUTLINE. I'm still working long and hard on this. I guess info didn't tell you this or maybe you don't remember but I was given permission to use the clips. I also said I am going to rework the prologue as it seems way to choppy and long and then it will be included as a bonus feature. The scenes you guys edited are also going to be reworked as I said way back when you first stressed his point.

To those of you saying that this edit sucks do to it's quality, I guess you don't know how to read because both me and Ripplin have mentioned numerous times that the version released online at this point has low quality so that people don't decide that they only wanna download one 5GB file. The 700mb version is only there for people who are very curious. The edit is still in the works and again THIS IS A ROUGH OUTLINE WITH LOWERED QUALITY. THE FINAL PRODUCT WITH THE HIGH-RESOLUTION AND 5.1 SURROUND SOUND WILL BE RELEASED IN DECEMBER AS IT WAS ALWAYS PLANNED. IF THIS VERSION TURNS YOU OFF DO TO QUALITY OR JARRY EDITING THEN PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ THE DESCRIPTIONS OR REASONS BEHIND WHY THIS WAS DONE.

Ripplin, if you know how to make Xvids or MKV's, could you convert the video to a video that's half the size of the HQ file that I sent only for you? Maybe then people won't be destracted. Otherwise, people will have to wait til December.

Bingowings said:

While using someone else work without permission is bad form, it is in essence what everyone does when they do a fan edit.

It would however have been better to have reconstructed those elements rather than taking them and dropping them straight in while still giving ID and TJ a credit for inspiration.

The only thing is that I WAS given permission to use the scenes. They assumed I would patch them up and they are right. I just haven't gotten to that yet.

Johnny Ringo said:

Yes, The Bingowings you listen...

My personal feeling is that 3 hours and 38 minutes is far too long to ask of an audience in a single sitting, Primarily I'd be suggesting ways to cut this down to a fair and reasonable runtime. I'm also making notes in general. I should say right here that this may come across as overly negative but I'll try to be as costructive as possible. [I wont be watching this in a single sitting]

* This is probably an encoding error but the aspect ratio seems WAY wrong. Is it meant to be Anamorphic?

Prologue //

maybe it would have been best to start with the Ian McDiarmid speech? It sums things up better [and quicker] than a vague quote and a scene with 3 random guys fighting. - Random from the POV of a first time viewer.

If you want to show the "great despair" - maybe showcase elements from several battles where the "bad guys" have the upper hand [or high ground if you will.], then the focus would seem to be on the emphasis of the opening qoute and tie in nicely with Ian's Monologue.

The only way I'd see the opening duel having significance is if we saw it again later in an expanded fashion, but it already seems expanded here, Honestly [and this is only my opinion] almost all of the fight just seems like a detraction from the story rather than a setup.

I would strongly suggest using the scenes following the main title logo as a Prologue of sorts [or cold opening] before the main titles.

Are you planning on including subtitles for the Nemoidians? - It's a long time to watch their back and forth without having any idea of what they are saying or implying, which basically makes their talky scenes boring AND pointless - since we don't learn anything the plot sort of stumbles for a bit. - I fail to seen the point in redubbing them if the scenes still play out in the same fashion - redubbing would allow freedom and flexibility i would think, and that opportunity is kind of wasted here.

Again it feels like there is much padding here between the scenes that matter to the plot. You don't explicitly show the Queen travel to Coruscant - she is in one place, then we see a ship arrive, and we see her in another place. Would it be simpler to simply imply she is already on Couscant - and trim her out of the "occupation of Naboo" scenes?

I like the idea of cutting back to the Naboo politicians conferring before the senate meeting.

* I notice that the colours during certain scenes [flashbacks?] bleed out into the black bars quite a bit.

When we first see Anakin we also see a lot here featuring Quigon, Who already died in the Prologue - this makes things a bit disjointed - and this is NOT presented as a flashback as you've set up a style to denote that, which is NOT present here.

* looks to be some sort of error on the Maul reveal shot - there's a flicker of his face, close up as the doors are opening..

Again we haven't really met Darth Maul [as the sith apprentice they make refernce to] before we see him here. So he's kind of just a face.

Why are we seeing studio logos 24 minutes into the movie? - that's a bit out of pace isn't it?

The cuts between time periods are also beginning to get quite jarring, imo.

That's all I've got right now, I need to take a break.

Thanks for the suggestions! They are highly appreciated. The prologue will be cut down and the jarry editing will be fixed. The prologue will only be featured as a bonus feature on the DVD for people who still wanna see some TPM scenes but as I mentioned before I'm going to start including them anyways so the prologue will just be there as a kind of deleted material in the special features.

Akwat Kbrana said:

Ah, but think of it this way: putting his son before himself like that is an act of selflessness ("not for him, but for his son") which in fact causes Anakin to become the good man that - presuming the PT to be true - he never really was.

Just a thought. Personally, I'd probably never watch an edit that incorporated PT footage into OT footage like that, but if you were to do an edit like that, this could be one "spin" to put on it: a non-redemptive motive results in a redemptive act of selflessness.

I'm doing what was illustrated in the Novelization of ROTJ. When Darth Vader sees Luke being electrecuted he is reminded of Shmi, Padme, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. I'll be using flashes of people he loved for his redemption not bad things he's done, but good things.

46fleetline said:

i myself don't wanna sound like i am hammering you, however, still very excited to see final work.

my point is, if ID had trailers out already and kickass editing done for those trailers, just trying to figure out how you jumped in there and he shut his down. if he lost work due to a cpu crash, i understand, that sucks. however in 2 yrs, and the best we can get is a shotty ruff draft from you, then i would assume, maybe you bit off more than you could chew?

again, no offense, just making the case, if you volunteerd to continue his work but with a twist, and after 2 years, i would have let him redo his, if he felt like it, because i'm sure in 2 years time, he may had enough push to start again and be done by now.

Here's the thing though, you haven't even watched the edit and you are making assumptions. I said I'd do a trailer once I was finished the edit. I want to work off of one file for the edit as opposed to scavenging through three movies to make one 2 minute clip. If you want to tell me I can't do it, fine whatever but please don't if you haven't even watched the rough copy. The rough copy is there so you can get an idea at what I'm going for based on story, editing and style. The quality is there to act as a reminder that it isn't the final draft. The final draft will be in High Quality and 5.1 Surround sound. And me doing this edit does not mean ID can't do his. I was waiting and waiting and it was taking a long time because I'm sure they both have lives. I haven't been too busy in the last year so I figured I would try my own take.

But I was given permission. Check the Reborn thread. And again, the low quality was intentional. 46fleetline, have you even been reading my posts? That upload was for people to get an idea of the story, the feel and the editing I was going for. This isn't meant for people to discuss the quality. I know it is low definition! I did that on purpose so people don't have to download a 5gb HQ version now and then again in December. How are you going to get a feel of the story, editing and style through a few screenshots? You wanna know what the finalized screens will look like? Look at the source material. The AOTC and TPM DVDs and Adywan's ANH. I'm not remastering anything so the screens are just meant to give you a warning that the quality of this version is low, and if you want perfection then wait til December.

If ID gave you permission than I apoligize,  I'm just speaking for myself here and not ID. I would have rather not seen them used at all. 

I'm sure this is in the reborn thread somewhere but I'll post it again.  ID and I quit because we were burned out plain and simple. We put in a ton of work on reborn and just couldn't get the results we wanted. We didn't want to release anything that wasn't of the highest quality and what we had done so far most certainly was not.  

I changed jobs in January of this year which has kept me very busy (not to mention the wife and kids!).  ID has many things going on in his own life, one of which is being heavily involved in his Kingdom of the Crystal Skull edit, which could be the most highly anticipated edit since ANH: Revisited. :) 

I still have everything from the project sitting on my hard drive including a newer cut of anh/aotc that ID did later. Some of the stuff ID has come up with for this project really is brilliant.

Will reborn ever see the light of day?  Who knows. I'd love for it to, but not if we have to release a sub-par version. 

My suggestion to A-Man would be to delete what you downloaded off of the internet and re-create those scenes. When you release the full qualtiy version in December those scenes will stick out like a sore thumb because they weren't uploaded in full quality.  Use them as a template and nothing more.

He didn't stop because I was making one. I decided to make my own take once he dropped his. Other people have done their own versions too. This isn't Star Wars Reborn, this is my own take on the idea. When I get back into London, I plan on fixing what needs fixing, rendering it and then working on a trailer. If you want trailers, wait at least a month or two. Then they will start streaming in. I promise.

tjdavis1138 said:

If ID gave you permission than I apoligize,  I'm just speaking for myself here and not ID. I would have rather not seen them used at all. 

I'm sure this is in the reborn thread somewhere but I'll post it again.  ID and I quit because we were burned out plain and simple. We put in a ton of work on reborn and just couldn't get the results we wanted. We didn't want to release anything that wasn't of the highest quality and what we had done so far most certainly was not.  

I changed jobs in January of this year which has kept me very busy (not to mention the wife and kids!).  ID has many things going on in his own life, one of which is being heavily involved in his Kingdom of the Crystal Skull edit, which could be the most highly anticipated edit since ANH: Revisited. :) 

I still have everything from the project sitting on my hard drive including a newer cut of anh/aotc that ID did later. Some of the stuff ID has come up with for this project really is brilliant.

Will reborn ever see the light of day?  Who knows. I'd love for it to, but not if we have to release a sub-par version. 

My suggestion to A-Man would be to delete what you downloaded off of the internet and re-create those scenes. When you release the full qualtiy version in December those scenes will stick out like a sore thumb because they weren't uploaded in full quality.  Use them as a template and nothing more.

 

 

 

Thanks for the suggestion. Two of the scenes you edited can still work however. The love scene and the Chase Scene. I worked on their resolutions and quality and got them to fit. The Chase Scene needs a lot of audio work though which I plan on doing. I think those might actually be the only scenes I used. The prologue I don't even want to use to be honest. People just wanted it in there so I figured I'd patch things up and leave it in a sub section of the bonus features.

Asteroid-Man said:

I worked on their resolutions and quality and got them to fit.

 *sigh*  I give up.