Bingowings said:I thought it was one of the more impressive aspects of the PT that I too managed have an empathy with the Clone troops (I've described them elsewhere as brainwashed slaves) you can see how they both bonded with their Jedi generals and turned on them both down to a pre-programmed loyalty to the state that created them.
I'll get into this more in my Episode III proposed revision, but I feel that part of the conflict should be whether to use clones for that very reason. Slavery and such are against the tenets of the Republic. Mainly I'm trying to put the plural back in the Clone WarS. If there is conflict in the Senate over whether to use clones, if so -- how, andthe actual military conflicts... I didn't lay it out in my brief synopsis above, but I have dialogue in the full script to the effect that the fight for control of the clones was the first Clone War.
I know that the EU would have us believe that the Clone Troopers were eventually phased out and replaced by career non-clones and conscripts. I don't buy that myself. If the Emperor has a pre-existing and proven weapon (in the form of totally loyal and mass produced armies) why would he surrender that for troops who may change sides against him?
I don't recall seeing this. I have seen that the clone ranks were expanded with non-Jango clones, as well as with non-clone recruits. It is part of the current fluff that Vader's 501st Legion is the only entirely-Jago-clone unit left in the Empire at the time of the OT. I disagree with that, personally. Too much variation seen in Empire.
I'm actually more surprised that he didn't start to replace the population of the Empire with equally brainwashed drones.
You're talking trillions of sentients there. Easier to do on a larger scale what the Republicans did in the U.S. over the past forty years -- convince the people there is a threat and they need protecting, even at the cost of personal freedoms and civil rights. One thing I really liked about the X-Wing novels was when they went to Coruscant and visited the Imperial Museum and saw how the events of the OT had been spun from an Imperial propeganda POV. Coruscant would have been in mourning for the death of the Emperor, not celebrating.
There could be entire planetery populations of civilians and military bred and programmed like robots to serve the Empire (not to mention droids themselves becoming less and less like droids and developing individual awareness and loyalty).
One of the ironies of the OT. :)
The mess left behind by the two trilogies would make a worthy sequel trilogy in it's own right.
That's been my thinking since I first saw ROTJ in 1983, at age 8 -- and we didn't even have the Prequels yet. I could tell there was more to tell. What about all the Imperial ships? What about the Imperial capitol world? What about the rest of the Imperial government? It wasn't over after the first Death Star was destroyed, and even though the Emperor and Veder were dead now, too, there was a huge machine already in motion that wouldn't grind to a halt immediately.
Rhikter said:Bingowings said:
If the Emperor has a pre-existing and proven weapon (in the form of totally loyal and mass produced armies) why would he surrender that for troops who may change sides against him?
That's because, in the EU, not all of the clones went along with Order 66, and the clone program turned out to be a failure.
I know about the first part of that. I've read Karen Traviss' books. But where do you get the second part? We just know that most "civilised" people in the galaxy disapprove of it -- but there's plenty of stuff that indicates the Emperor kept right on doing it in secret.
Bingowings said:I was thinking about the shots of the Gungans emerging from the mist in TPM, it might add something to the battle if some of that mist carried over to the battle field itself.
I was watching a documentary about the making of Ran and the shots of armoured warriors on horseback in the mist were striking.
It might also go some way to making the CGI look less cartoonish.
I do want to keep that, and maybe mist-ify more of the Gungan battle. But save that for Episode III, and have it not on Naboo.
--Jonah