The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 88

I've uploaded a little re-edit/redux of Anakin's turn to the darkside that I've been tinkering with for the past few days.

I've mostly just tightened up the editing, but I think it works a bit better than Mr. Lucas' version. The one major change is that I TOTALLY cut the scene of Anakin 'thinking' (about wether-or-not to stop Mace Windu), and Padme 'worrying'. Note: The scene of Obi-Wan defeating General Grevious was only cut down to save time for YouTube.

Any-who, I present "Anakin's Turn To The Darkside - Re-Edit".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzVmYXGkP3Q

Ignore this post.  It's not supposed to be here and I don't think I can delete it.

Davnes007 said:

 

I've uploaded a little re-edit/redux of Anakin's turn to the darkside that I've been tinkering with for the past few days.

I've mostly just tightened up the editing, but I think it works a bit better than Mr. Lucas' version. The one major change is that I TOTALLY cut the scene of Anakin 'thinking' (about wether-or-not to stop Mace Windu), and Padme 'worrying'. Note: The scene of Obi-Wan defeating General Grevious was only cut down to save time for YouTube.

Any-who, I present "Anakin's Turn To The Darkside - Re-Edit".

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzVmYXGkP3Q

 

I've watched and rated the video.  Well done.  He's what I have to say:

• Does anyone know if there is a way to alter someone's pronunciation of words in post production?  I'm not talking pitch or tone, but rather phonetics (really wish I could type in IPA right now).  I just never liked Hayden's vowel sounds, like is open/hollow "Oh"s and "Ah's.  I suspect he was trying to establish a link between Anakin's speech patterns and the way James Earl Jones spoke in the OT.  While I commend him for that from an actor's pov (if that's what he was doing), it simply doesn't resonate with me as an audience member.
  
  
• Did you add some extra silence before Palpatine's, "They don't trust you"?  I haven't watched RotS in some time so I don't remember what it was originally like.
  
  
• I would like an establishing shot of Anakin's face right before Palpatine says, "I can feel your anger." It seems more natural, and if it were me I'd want the audience to be reminded of the conflict within Anakin at this point.
  
  
• I love the early cut from Palpatine and Anakin to Obi-Wan.  It leaves me wondering what Anakin is going to do.  That's the way it should have been in the original.
  
  
• Could you rip some Grievous dialogue from "The Clone Wars" to add to the final confrontation with Obi-Wan, just so he doesn't go out like a punk as much?  Every time I see that scene I feel like, "Oh I guess Matthew Wood was ill/out of town the day they decided to include this scene."
  
  
• I actually liked the transition from Grievous vs Obi-Wan to Mace and Anakin.  In the final version could it return to the Obi-Wan vs Grievous fight before transitioning to Mace about to face Palpatine?
  
  
• Again, could we get an establishing shot of Mace's face as he takes in the news about Palpatine before he says, "How do you know this?"  The transition between lines seems to come too quickly.
  
  
• Will Anakin be in that scene where all the Jedi ignite their sabers or will he run in like he did originally?  If the prior, once again I say, establishing shots of his face as he reacts to what Mace and Palpatine are saying to each other.
  
  
• Keeping the "You can't.  He must stand trial" line seems to undermine the awesome transition I talked about earlier.  The one that transitions to Obi-Wan from Palpatine and Anakin.  Actually, I think all of Anakin's attempts to bargain for Palpatine's life undermine it.
  
  
• If you can get that allusion to the RotJ duel to work I think it will be amazing!
  
  
• Uh, I don't think Samuel L. Jackson would approve of the "Wilhelm scream." It kind of undermines Mace's character.
  
  
• The "What have I done" line doesn't have very much power to it when we can't see Anakin actually saying it.
  
  
• Some of the dialogue alterations post Mace's death feel choppy.  I'm just going to assume that's because this is an early edit.
  
  
• I never understood why they made Palpatine's voice sound so bellow-y in that scene around when he is "knighting" Vader.  Can his voice be reverted to the evil cackling Emperor voice we all know and love?
  
  
• I never bought that Anakin willingly went along with Palpatine's plans when the man is acting SO OBVIOUSLY EVIL; saying stuff like "Once more the sith will rule the galaxy."  Palpatine should still be manipulating Anakin by making himself look good and the jedi look evil.  Of course that's if you believe that Anakin actually believes that the Jedi are evil.  The only way I can get through his "I should have known the Jedi were plotting to take over" schpeal is by thinking that he doesn't really believe it, and is just trying to save face.
  
  I like the way that you cut the end of Palpatine's speech because he looks so smug and I get the feeling that he's satysfied with himself by the fact that he has made Anakin his slave.
  
  Really, that's the way Lucas should have played Anakin's downfall.  He should have been portrayed as a victim of circumstance, a slave to Palpatine who didn't want to do what he did and only did it because he felt he had no other choice. There shouldn't have been hatred and anger in the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel, but sadness and regret. This would also have made it more believable that Anakin had indeed been a "Good Friend" and "Brother" to Obi-Wan.  He should only have become truly evil after Padmé's death and is transformation into the mechanical monster Darth Vader, not before.
  

EDIT:
Random funny thought I just had:  Do you think the Jedi tell the story of Darth Vader as a form of abstinence education?

Rhikter said:

Davnes007 said:

I present "Anakin's Turn To The Darkside - Re-Edit".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzVmYXGkP3Q

I've watched and rated the video.  Well done.  He's what I have to say:

Thanks for watching, rating, and for your lengthy reply. :)

Did you add some extra silence before Palpatine's, "They don't trust you"?

I didn't add any silence before Palp saying "They don't trust you". What I did was cut the part before that where he doesn't say anything, and Ani says "I know there are things about the force that they're not telling me".

Could you rip some Grievous dialogue from "The Clone Wars"

I don't have "The Clone Wars" on DVD...yet, so obviously I can't rip it........and I haven't even seen it yet, either...lol

establishing shot of Mace's face as he takes in the news about Palpatine

I think they I have it is more natural. Having to watch Mace react seems a little forced.

Will Anakin be in that scene where all the Jedi ignite their sabers ....?

Actually, that's the only thing I wish I coul do more with. As it is, he basically from nowhere. 

Keeping the "You can't.  He must stand trial" line seems to undermine the awesome transition I talked about earlier. 

I was a bit torn with what you're talking about. But, I didn't want to hack up the movie too much...it would start to 'fall apart'. I do agree, however.

I don't think Samuel L. Jackson would approve of the "Wilhelm scream."

Lol.....that was mostly for fun. :D

The "What have I done" line doesn't have very much power to it when we can't see Anakin actually saying it.

Again, seeing his face/reaction seemed a bit forced to me...in connection to watching him sit down, anyway.

Some of the dialogue alterations post Mace's death feel choppy.  I'm just going to assume that's because this is an early edit.

I never understood why they made Palpatine's voice sound so bellow-y

You're partially right. I wanted to tighten up the dialog, and cut out some of Palp's 'bellow-y' voice. 

I never bought that Anakin willingly went along with Palpatine

When Anakin says "Thank you...my master" after given his new 'Darth Vader' name, you can tell he's not entirely happy with Palps.

And, when he says, "Just help me save Padme's life", you can tell (now) that that's all he wants from him.

Your suggestions are welcome, and I'll try to made some of the edits/changes better.

What if mace still told anakin to not come with, but he ignored them & hoped straight into that speeder as soon as mace & co left 

this would lead to the least amount of editing, and would show anakin being defiant of his masters

is there a shot of him doing a "tsk as if" anywhere in the movie?

SilverKey said:

...did Anakin sneak aboard the ship? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Wouldn't Mace and the oter Jedi sense him being aboard with him?

That bit was sort of an experiment. The choice was to either show him getting onto the ship, or just have a jump-cut from Mace saying "We must move quickly...", to the ship taking off. If there is better footage of Ani (or someone who cna pass as Ani) getting on a ship, or something, I'll gladly use it instead.

However, the way I have it now, it sort of looks like he's jumping on at the last minute, before the pilot has a chance to abort the take-off.

ChainsawAsh said:

The problem here is that if Anakin does go with them, why does it take so damn long for him to get up there?  That was my only real problem with your edit...

Well, like I said in my reply to Rhikter, I realise that Ani appears out of nowhere...but I don't know what I can do to explain his brief absense.

Besides, do you really need everything explained?... ;)

Davnes007 said:

When Anakin says "Thank you...my master" after given his new 'Darth Vader' name, you can tell he's not entirely happy with Palps.

And, when he says, "Just help me save Padme's life", you can tell (now) that that's all he wants from him.

I will have to re-watch this scene.  It has been so long that I can't be 100% sure as to what it is that takes me out of that scene.  I suspect that it is Hayden's poor delivery of lines such as, "Thanks you...my master," but again I'll have to re-watch that just to be sure.

BarBar Jinkx said:

What if mace still told anakin to not come with, but he ignored them & hoped straight into that speeder as soon as mace & co left

Thumbs up.  I would really like to see a mock-up of this.

ChainsawAsh said:

I think it would work better to cut from "We must move quickly" to Palpatine's office directly.  There's already too many takeoff/landing sequenes in the PT that just aren't necessary, and this is one of them.

I suggest looking at the OT and studying how, when, and how many times take of/landing sequences where used, and try to emulate that feel in RotS.

SilverKey said:

How about we minimize seeing Palpatine with his lightsaber, but shifting the focus of that scene to Anakin? The scenes in Palpatine's office are a big turning point in his life, so why not stretch it out a little, and center it around him?

I'm just brainstorming aloud here, most of it probably wouldn't even be doable:

• Anakin mulls over Palpatine's words in the council chamber.
• Windu arrive at Palpatine's office. They exchange their dialogue. Palpatine activates his lightsaber. The music builds.
• Then cut to Anakin taking off from the Jedi Temple platform.
• Cut back to Palpatine's ante chamber. The bodies of Kolar, Fisto and Tiin are on the ground. In the distance we hear the sounds of the fight going on between Palpatine and Windu. Maybe we could add some screams, stuff breaking and other sound effects, to give the impression that there is really something big and epic is going on in that room.
• Cut back to Anakin arriving at the Senate building. It would be nice if in this scene, and in the other scenes with Anakin, we can cut in some close ups of him, to show that this scene is really about him.
• When Anakin arrives at the office, he hears the sounds of the battle going on (making him pause and adding in another close up might add to tension here, even Anakin is wondering what the hell is going on in there.
• Anakin enters the office, and we finally see the final stages of the fight. Maybe we can even add the suggestion here that Anakin never saw Palpatine with his saber at all, which could prove Palpatine's prediction that the Jedi are planning to betray him to Anakin.
• The rest of the scene plays as it normally does, and it would be great if we can add in Davnes' awesome idea of having Anakin and Mace's sabers clash in front of Palpatine's face.
• The music underneath this scene could be just the Emperor's Theme, adding to the mystery of the scene.

SilveryKey, I love your ideas! Less is more! :D

I may have to try this...

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

SilveryKey, I love your ideas! Less is more! :D

I may have to try this...

Oh yes!

Let us know Big Shot! :)

-Angel

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

SilveryKey, I love your ideas! Less is more! :D

I may have to try this...

Oh yes!

Let us know Big Shot! :)

-Angel

 

Ha! :D

Well, it'll still be a while til I get to that...I'm still working on the arena scene from AOTC...

Hurry up man :) i want to see it before Sunday :D

-Angel

Darth Piccolo said:

dude i am watching this scene and something just clicked with me the beatiful scenery and music almost brought me to manly tears. 

That supposed to stay to the other forum :P

-Angel

Nice job, Cade. :)

I must say, it seems to me that the term 'color corrected' is thrown around a bit too much. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I see it, color correction is to get rid of the added tints to reveal the true color underneath. What people like vaderios do is color alteration, innit? ;)

Ripplin said:

Nice job, Cade. :)

I must say, it seems to me that the term 'color corrected' is thrown around a bit too much. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I see it, color correction is to get rid of the added tints to reveal the true color underneath. What people like vaderios do is color alteration, innit? ;)

Depends. If you want to reveal the true color then maybe you will lose the mood. Plus, Color alterations can change mood or retro-y the newer movies.

So no matter what a color correction is color alteration after all ! :) IMO always.

if you apply a global tint or play with the hue saturation levels that is a color correction. But if you wish to add or remove color and doing specific tasks is color alteration.

-Angel

^Dat's true too. Glad you saw my point. I think it can go both ways, depending on how you look at it. Just a random thought I had in reading some of the recent posts. :)

P.S. Vaderios, I know this is a bit [lot] off-topic, but do you have all your signature pics stored somewhere? It would be fun to see all of them again. Oh, and do you make them all yourself? (it's ok if you don't, of course. Haha.)

Color correction is more a phrase to "correct/ restore" the bad colors of the SE Dvds.

Now ady or others will do the colors based on the OT then.... that will be a good thing :)

I did many effords to make PT to look like OT as you know :)

-Angel

PS: no idont have them. I delete them after im bored.

I dont make the sigs myself, just random search at net :)

btw this one is from SuicideGirls (shit)