If Lucas did a proper oot restoration for blu ray and dvd would he be forgiven for the special editions and the prequels? — Page 2

I used the academy awards thing as a joke. The academy gave slumdog millionare 8 academy awards and it was the worst film ever. Critics hate everyone of the movies I consider masterpieces. They called blade runner utter garbage. I heard a critic that said Transporter 2 was one of the best films ever say that the Fifth Element was too fast paced and called it just a rushed summer flick (I thought that about transporter 2 LOL) George Lucas could have multiple reasons as to why he doesn't restore the films. He could be ashamed of the fact that he didn't have all the say for the films

I'll gladfully forgive Lucas if/when he does justice to our beloved Star Wars Trilogy.

However, forgetting will not be as easy.

Just my 1.999999999999 cents worth.

Janskeet said:

...I will only forgive him if [he] shoots himself in the foot...

"How un-civilized" ;)

Besides, there are probably some fans who would prefer him to shoot different parts of his body...more 'fatal' parts.

CO said:

Anchorhead said:

I'm all for continuing the petitions, letter writing, and published articles calling for a proper release and pointing out his lies.  I just can't behind the hate threads.  Lucas is someone who really digs his heels in when pushed and strikes me as the kind of fellow that would hold off a proper release just out of spite.

For all his flaws - and where Star Wars is concerned, he has more than can be counted - I just can't get behind the hate.  Through the years, Lucas has given me much more than he's taken from me.

 

I see what you are saying.  I honestly never understood the hate for Lucas for the PT.

 

Hopefully I can help you understand. It comes down to setting a precedence. When your reputation or legacy are seemingly set in stone, so strongly, for so long, that is what people are going to expect from you. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. A man has to live up to what people expect of him.

George Lucas' reputation up until the prequels, at least as it pertained to film-making, was that of greatness. He altered the course of history with some smash hits that are upheld as the ultimate classics by the vast majority.

With the prequels, that same vast majority saw poor direction, lazy special effects, and overall: mediocre deliveries.

In those fans' minds, Lucas betrayed them. He broke their expectations of his greatness into tiny pieces THREE MAJOR TIMES IN A ROW. It's that sense of betrayal that leads to bitterness. Such incongruity cannot be expected to be met with warmth and appreciation. It's human nature.

Lucas didn't have to do anything.  You wanted him to, I wanted him to, we all wanted him to - but that's all it is - our desires to be given what we wanted, what we hoped for.  There was no contract, no guarantee, no unwritten law - no have to.

He had to in order to meet the fans' requirements, Anchorhead.

I am taking a neutral stance. I personally couldn't care less about Lucas or his numerous fanbases. That includes the anti-Lucasites. Like you, I have the Star Wars I need. It's the underground psychological battle itself that interests me. So don't think I'm speaking from my own ass, and implying that I'm one of the fans hateful of Lucas. I'm not. I'm stating my observations.

In those fans' minds, Lucas betrayed them.

 

 

 

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My 2p's worth: What's to forgive? I never begrudged him making any number of Special Editions and Prequels and spin-offs and merchandising deals and wallowing in his own self-regard. If he releases the OOT properly I will forgive him for not doing it before. End of.

The SEs are not the problem. It is the fact that he just sits on original versions deeming them unwatchable. (Those are the versions that made you acclaimed in the first place!)

IF the OT is released, fully restored as it should have been long ago-there will no longer be any problems. It is George Lucas after all. Where would we be without SW, ESB, ROTJ, Indy, and THX?

I don't know. I still have a funny feeling that a fully restored OOT exists. Empire of Dreams and the opening crawl to the GOUT really drop a lot of hints at this. Of course, I could be mistaken and only those few shots were restored (just seems unlikely to me). But even if there is no real LFL restoration of the thing lying around, I find it hard to believe nobody else has taken it upon themselves to preserve this thing. Keep in mind, it is Star Wars we are talking about here. This was no poor quality B-movie, this thing has been a hit since its release. Very influencial. Many awards.

There are a lot of powerful people in Hollywood with the ability to make things happen, and with access to things and places our little community could never reach. Legally, George can sit on his movies and prevent an official release, and there is nothing anyone can do about it, if they did, it would probably cause hard feelings, and I don't think anyone really wants any drama between them and GL. But none of this means restorations and preservations cannot be done behind the scenes and hung onto for a rainy day. This is the 21st century man! I have a hard time believing when live in an age where things like this can still be lost forever. Too many people with too much technology floating around. I mean, how crazy is it that an obscure TV broadcast of the Star Wars Holiday Special still exists in pretty decent quality thanks to people owning VCRs in an age where the things were nearly unheard of?

I have absolutely no doubt one day Star Wars will be readily availble with its original visuals in as perfect quality as humanly imaginable. I just don't see this happening in the near future.

When I was a child during about 94-95. I thought that George Lucas was the Mozart of film. I still do. He created something I knew I would never be able to witness but with 2 eyes I would get sucked into these movies. During the original trilogy I was not sitting on my living room floor with my elbows on the carpet and my hands on my cheeks. I was flying past Star Destroyers and shooting storm troopers. I was in the battle of Hoth dodging AT-AT's and laserblasts in Bespin. I with my 2 innocent eyes was for those moments, in Heaven. The garden of Eden was not a field of tall grass with waterfalls, it was the dark reaches of space aboard the Millennium Falcon.

Even during 1997 I did not know anything about the special editions. For me my 1990 Vhs boxset was as good as I needed. I honestly didn't care until I got a DVD player for my room in 2000. I wanted to see those films on DVD. I longed for the crystal clear picture that even my mother was given with her Gone With The Wind DVD. 2004 came and I finally got them. The DVD set I had waited for. I was stunned by the opening credits in A New Hope. I could see the stars and the gigantic Star Destroyer booming down the frame in anamorphic beauty. Until I saw the interior shot. Everybody's face was splotchy and Leia was purple. I was fine with that until the "Look Sir, Droids." scene with so much going on completely distracting the intent of the scene. I still wasn't bothered. What made me want to break my DVD was THE SCENE WHICH SHOULD NOT BE NAMED. I was ok with that even. 2006 came and so did another release. I couldn't possibly shell out for another set of DVDs. Luckily I had a wonderful friend who made the mistake I couldn't. He showed me the GOUT. I saw it on his Hi Def television. "What the hell is this?" I wondered. It looked like it was downloaded on YouTube. Could this be what I had waited for most of my life? Could this possibly be an attempt to as you English would say Take the piss? I was ashamed to be a Star Wars fan. Nobody but people older than 15 could possibly know what Star Wars used to be.

George Lucas did not rape my child-hood. He did however, crush my hopes like socks on christmas. We couldn't expect at least a 720p OOT release if George Lucas won't even release his pride and joy's in 1080p. I will keep my VHS's and laserdisc releases for my children but I will not watch the SE DVDs if I can't get a remastered original original trilogy release.

George, I understand why you made the special editions. I just don't get why you want people to forget the films that made you a cinema legend. George, I know you must have atleast taken a peek into this site at least once.

We don't hate you. We love your movies. I play music for people. That is what I do. Everytime I go on a stage and play my music I do it for the people. Everytime I hear any applause, it just lifts me up. George, That is what Star Wars means to us. It is our childhoods. Give us atleast a chance to relive our childhoods. I will continue to support anything you do, But please don't let us be left in silence.

Amen, EyeShotFirst. Beautifully put!

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If Lucas finally caves for real and releases all the versions, then I'll buy the blu-ray.

I think we should start a new petition for the original versions in HD anamorphic widescreen without the color tampering that plagued the 2004 release. I think it should include screenshot examples of the anamorphic difference and botched 2004 colors just so it's crystal clear to ever noob what we want. 

I have plenty of dvd's. And the jump from dvd to blu-ray is not nearly as big as the improvement dvd offered over vhs and laserdisc. I don't care that much about seeing extra features anymore. The next video release of Star Wars has to be something special, it can't just be average. If the new set has deleted scenes but not the originals, I'll just rent them. I already have 2 versions of each movie, I see no reason to upgrade unless it's a spectacular release with everything imaginable included. If it isn't, I'm not buying.

I hope other people realize they don't need to buy the same movie again, people need to vote with their wallets that we want the real deal.

I would refuse to sign any petition that feels the need to request it in anamorphic. That is just too asinine. It is just pampering. George knew it should have been anamorphic, he knew that was the standard. He just didn't care.

I'd love to see him release the OUT on Blu-ray in letterbox. It would awesome. At the moment, there are literally hundreds of DVD with far worse quality than the GOUT. However, if George were to pull something like this with BD, he'd have the distinction of having released the worse quality BD ever. Might even win a place in the Guiness Book of World Record. This would truely make my day. Unfortunately, very little George does makes me happy these days. So I won't be holding my breath for this this. :( 

But yeah, seriously, I hope fans don't stoop so low as to spell out that it needs to be "anamorphic" (does that even apply to BD?), it seriously just feels like you are on your knees groveling. "Oh great bearded one! Witness as we jump through hoops for thee! Bless us our lord with thy holy trilogy, this time without the punishment of black bars and low quality. Your will be done o'wise story teller, your saga forever be worshiped, and your..." ah, you get the idea.