Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 112

Actually it would add some much needed colour to the throne room. The room is just to dark and blue. The sabers were the only hint of real colour. The throne room was my favorite scene but I have to say that it is the ugliest in the whole saga. It was either too saturated or too undersaturated. It looked like tecnicolor painted over an old grayscale film.

fishmanlee said:

but luke took off vaders suit 

I don't think that would make any difference at all. Obi Wan's robes were left on the Death Star, and likely was destroyed in the explosion. So by this logic, should Obi Wan not have access to his robes as a ghost?

This is sounding sillier and sillier to me suddenly... the whole debate on what a ghost gets to wear or not wear I mean! Or how old they appear, or how much hair they have... it gets to be a bit much.

But I have a question anyway: If Qui Gon is the original Jedi Force Ghost (OG: Original Ghost!), and thus taught Yoda and Obi Wan how to also become force ghosts, then why is Vader able to do the same, since he never learned this technique?

Related question: Why isn't Qui Gon not there with Anakin/Yoda/Obi Wan? Yeah, he doesn't know Luke, and Luke would only be confused if he saw a strange Jedi standing there, but he is still the only other Jedi (non-EU) to be able to do this.

Reminds me of this old mock up that has been on youtube for quite some time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aIZZyIgpco

(I did not make it)

Looking at this mock up, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch, since in the edit, Luke looks away before Qui Gon appears... perhaps it could be interpreted that he appeared to observe what he so strongly believed in: Seeing Anakin's success in balancing the force.

Ah, early morning ramblings... I get carried away, sorry folks!

Bingowings said:

oh_riginal said:

fishmanlee said:

but luke took off vaders suit

 

I don't think that would make any difference at all. Obi Wan's robes were left on the Death Star, and likely was destroyed in the explosion. So by this logic, should Obi Wan not have access to his robes as a ghost?

This is sounding sillier and sillier to me suddenly... the whole debate on what a ghost gets to wear or not wear I mean! Or how old they appear, or how much hair they have... it gets to be a bit much.

But I have a question anyway: If Qui Gon is the original Jedi Force Ghost (OG: Original Ghost!), and thus taught Yoda and Obi Wan how to also become force ghosts, then why is Vader able to do the same, since he never learned this technique?

Related question: Why isn't Qui Gon not there with Anakin/Yoda/Obi Wan? Yeah, he doesn't know Luke, and Luke would only be confused if he saw a strange Jedi standing there, but he is still the only other Jedi (non-EU) to be able to do this.

 

Reminds me of this old mock up that has been on youtube for quite some time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aIZZyIgpco

(I did not make it)

Looking at this mock up, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch, since in the edit, Luke looks away before Qui Gon appears... perhaps it could be interpreted that he appeared to observe what he so strongly believed in: Seeing Anakin's success in balancing the force.

Ah, early morning ramblings... I get carried away, sorry folks!

Maybe the boy got it right in the first place:

Anakin : "No one can kill a Jedi."

Qui-Gon : "I wish that were so".

Perhaps in his raw untrained state he was more atuned to the true nature of the Force than he ever was as a Jedi or a Sith.

He is described in the prequels a some sort of mechansism for resetting the balance of the Force (thousands of Jedi and two Sith, two Sith and two Jedi, when one takes on an apprentice another Jedi is killed to correct the balance, when another dies he kills a Sith his roles seem to match even the rank of the Jedi/Sith involved Master for Master, Apprentice for Apprentice).

Where that leaves his children is wide open question but with his job done he can now take his place in Jedi Valhalla and turn up now and then for social calls.

I know this belongs more on the Radical Redux thread but with Qui-Gon being a bit of a herald of the chosen one in the linear TPM plan I dropped in over there it might make sense to have Qui-Gon gain the knowledge of Force Haunting from the same source of inspiration as where he got his intuitions about Anakin from.

 

 

I don't think "balance" is meant to be taken literally, in regards to Jedi/Sith population. It's not nearly "philosophical" enough for either faction. I think what is meant by "balance" would be something like "all is well in the universe" or something along those lines. The dark side throws off the balance.

But I'm not the one with the final word, as none of this was really explained in any of the prequels clearly. That's just my interpretation.

Still, I think it would be cool to see Qui Gon make one final appearance in the final moments of ROTJ. It would be like he was really observing the entire saga all along, since he was killed.

oh_riginal said:

Bingowings said:

oh_riginal said:

fishmanlee said:

but luke took off vaders suit

 

I don't think that would make any difference at all. Obi Wan's robes were left on the Death Star, and likely was destroyed in the explosion. So by this logic, should Obi Wan not have access to his robes as a ghost?

This is sounding sillier and sillier to me suddenly... the whole debate on what a ghost gets to wear or not wear I mean! Or how old they appear, or how much hair they have... it gets to be a bit much.

But I have a question anyway: If Qui Gon is the original Jedi Force Ghost (OG: Original Ghost!), and thus taught Yoda and Obi Wan how to also become force ghosts, then why is Vader able to do the same, since he never learned this technique?

Related question: Why isn't Qui Gon not there with Anakin/Yoda/Obi Wan? Yeah, he doesn't know Luke, and Luke would only be confused if he saw a strange Jedi standing there, but he is still the only other Jedi (non-EU) to be able to do this.

 

Reminds me of this old mock up that has been on youtube for quite some time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aIZZyIgpco

(I did not make it)

Looking at this mock up, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch, since in the edit, Luke looks away before Qui Gon appears... perhaps it could be interpreted that he appeared to observe what he so strongly believed in: Seeing Anakin's success in balancing the force.

Ah, early morning ramblings... I get carried away, sorry folks!

Maybe the boy got it right in the first place:

Anakin : "No one can kill a Jedi."

Qui-Gon : "I wish that were so".

Perhaps in his raw untrained state he was more atuned to the true nature of the Force than he ever was as a Jedi or a Sith.

He is described in the prequels a some sort of mechansism for resetting the balance of the Force (thousands of Jedi and two Sith, two Sith and two Jedi, when one takes on an apprentice another Jedi is killed to correct the balance, when another dies he kills a Sith his roles seem to match even the rank of the Jedi/Sith involved Master for Master, Apprentice for Apprentice).

Where that leaves his children is wide open question but with his job done he can now take his place in Jedi Valhalla and turn up now and then for social calls.

I know this belongs more on the Radical Redux thread but with Qui-Gon being a bit of a herald of the chosen one in the linear TPM plan I dropped in over there it might make sense to have Qui-Gon gain the knowledge of Force Haunting from the same source of inspiration as where he got his intuitions about Anakin from.

 

 

Still, I think it would be cool to see Qui Gon make one final appearance in the final moments of ROTJ. It would be like he was really observing the entire saga all along, since he was killed.

That would indeed be quite a bookend to the saga :)

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but maybe Ady may be able to find a victorious version of the Jedi/Force Theme and replace the one that was in the Special Edition and 2004 DVD (for the end victory celebration scene). It's probably wishful thinking though. I actually liked the revised music for that scene but something is lacking....

Btw - I have a new Music Video up - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce07wUVsBHU

Bingowings said:

oh_riginal said:

I don't think "balance" is meant to be taken literally, in regards to Jedi/Sith population. It's not nearly "philosophical" enough for either faction. I think what is meant by "balance" would be something like "all is well in the universe" or something along those lines. The dark side throws off the balance.

But I'm not the one with the final word, as none of this was really explained in any of the prequels clearly. That's just my interpretation.

We can all agree on "Blessed are the cheesemakers" though can't we?

There's some dude in a waiter outfit in my dreams carrying a tray full of cheese, randomly popping up and offering some....

You all realise that Jesus in that movie is Piett, right?

                                                    NO!!!

:)

Behind the joke, i always believed that Jesus was Vader. His fall to the darkside ws the 3 days that Jesus was "dead"

and with killing the emperor is the return as a new guy (anakin)

Ho boy, how clishe! I hate religious stuff :P

-Angel

LOL I meant that Ken Colley, who plays Piett, plays Jesus in Life of Brian. Wasn't touching on symbolism and I don't think Star Wars is necessarily allegorical at all, however much it may have been inspired by historical events. (eg. Palpatine's rise echoes any number of historical dictators, from Caesar to Hitler, but isn't meant to represent any particular one.)

RoccondilRinon said:

He only took off the helmet. (The idea that he only burned the suit is EU and can be disregarded if an editor desires.)

I agree. I find the thought of Luke undressing his dead father a bit unsettling.

RoccondilRinon said:

LOL I meant that Ken Colley, who plays Piett, plays Jesus in Life of Brian. Wasn't touching on symbolism and I don't think Star Wars is necessarily allegorical at all, however much it may have been inspired by historical events. (eg. Palpatine's rise echoes any number of historical dictators, from Caesar to Hitler, but isn't meant to represent any particular one.)

I found it mildly amusing in the ESB DVD commentary track when Lucas seems to have a Freudian slip and refers to the Imperials as "the Nazis." I forget where exactly.

Bobocop said:

RoccondilRinon said:

He only took off the helmet. (The idea that he only burned the suit is EU and can be disregarded if an editor desires.)

I agree. I find the thought of Luke undressing his dead father a bit unsettling.

 

RoccondilRinon said:

LOL I meant that Ken Colley, who plays Piett, plays Jesus in Life of Brian. Wasn't touching on symbolism and I don't think Star Wars is necessarily allegorical at all, however much it may have been inspired by historical events. (eg. Palpatine's rise echoes any number of historical dictators, from Caesar to Hitler, but isn't meant to represent any particular one.)

I found it mildly amusing in the ESB DVD commentary track when Lucas seems to have a Freudian slip and refers to the Imperials as "the Nazis." I forget where exactly.

He says it when Piett informs Vader that the Emperor wants to make contact with him, and when Vader says: 'Move the ship out of the asteroid field....'

Out of all the commentaries TESB has the best one. Irvin Kershner is hilarious, especially when he calls C-3P0 'that stupid robot' after he interrupts Han and Leia's kiss.

Hey all,

It's been an age since I posted something here.  School had been taking up most of my life, and rightly so, but now I'm back.

I've been checking in a bit now at then to see the various concept art and videos people have posted.  Well done.

I plan on having more of a presence here in the future now that my life has settled down a bit.  It's good to be back.

copy paste much.JK. Welcome back

Are you kidding?  I'm copy pasting right now!

Bingowings said:

I was given State Of Play (the television version) for my birthday a few days back and was suprised to see Michael Pennington AKA JerJerrod in the last couple of episodes.

I will have to see it again (it is bloody good anyway) to see if there is any dialogue that can be borrowed from it.

I take it you mean dialogue that can be inserted into ROTJ:R?

I've heard of State of Play btw, I read something about it on IMDB. :)

Bingowings said:

Inserted into a ROTJ edit of some kind at least, not every suggestion on this thread or on the Starkiller Thread will appeal to Ady.

I see :)

Under what sort of curcumstances would additional/altered JerJerrod dialogue be needed in RotJ?