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How would YOU re-do the prequels?

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We all agree that the prequels stuck.  And we've all thought about remaking or re-editing them.  I'm wondering how some of us would do it.

Here's how I would, to get things started.

-Cut Phantom Menace completely.  No Jar Jar, no midi-chlorians, no Jake Lloyd, already a huge improvement.

- The Jedis just called them "apprentices", not "padawans".  And they don't have to wear 80's rat tails.

- Jedis can get married.

- General Grievous kicks ass like he did in Gennedy's "Clone Wars" shorts.

- We cut out that "youngling" crap and just say "Anakin killed the children".  That at least elicits an inherent human emotional response.

Already it's sounding better, isn't it?  Now you.

 

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I feel the prequels didn't need a lot of radical changes to be a lot better. I recently rewatched Phantom Menace (which I'd always liked since I first saw it in '05) and I still think it's decent. Call me crazy if you want but that's my opinion.

However, I feel the script was merely a very good draft. It needed someone to say "this is pretty good George, but it still needs some tweaking." I think the bad acting was mostly a result of bad writing and ineffective directing. It's almost like the actors weren't allowed to intereact and have any sense of spontaneity.  

I know a lot of people hate the midiclorians but from a pacing standpoint, they were also done poorly. The scene where Qui Gon explains to Anakin about them is a total info dump, the movie stops cold for exposition. Considering that the force, the Jedi abilities or lightsabers and even the Jedi mind trick were never explained in this movie, did we really need to have a wikepedia entry on midiclorians in the middle of the movie?

So to sum up, I think if the movies had been done better, people would have been more forgiving about the plots.

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Well, considering the Force, lightsabers, and mind tricks were all explained in the first movie, they really didn't need expositing again.

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Publish them as books only, that way they are considered EU, and we would be waiting for the Star Wars Trilogy to come out on BluRay sometime in the future. 

No movies =  No Hayden = No change in the ending of Return of the Jedi;)

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I would not have done the prequels period.  i would have moved the story forward and show Luke After Return of the Jedi.  I would have done a sequel trilogy with at least Mark Hamill if not Ford and Fisher.  But this would have had to be done before they were too old as they are now.

I still Believe if a new movie project went forward at this time Hamill could be the Alec Guiness Type passing on the torch to a new generation of jedi.

But that would mean either incorporating More EU garbage into the main star wars or Lucas creating his own new characters, Like His own Version of whether or not Leia and Han had kids that became jedi and so forth.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

I would not have done the prequels period.  i would have moved the story forward and show Luke After Return of the Jedi.  I would have done a sequel trilogy with at least Mark Hamill if not Ford and Fisher. 

Looking back now, I am glad Lucas didn't do 7,8,9.  Atleast with the PT, if we don't like it, we can erase it from the story, cause essentially it is about the rise of Anakin and the Empire in a nutshell.  You can enjoy 4,5,6 even today without the PT.

If Lucas made 7,8,9 and those movies sucked with Hammil, and possibly Ford and Fisher, that would have REALLY tarnished the OT.  Atleast now we can say that 4,5,6 are classics to us, and the PT is just a different story, whereas 7,8,9 would have been like Rocky V, where OUR heroes are in a crappy movie.

Plus bashing is funner when it comes to Hayden, Jake Lloyd, Jar Jar, and Padme, whereas it wouldn't be the same burying Mark Hammill because the Sequel Trilogy sucks.

 

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Gaffer Tape said:

Well, considering the Force, lightsabers, and mind tricks were all explained in the first movie, they really didn't need expositing again.

But according to Lucas, we're supposed to watch the movies in "Saga order." So then why would most stuff be explained only in Star Wars? Could it be that Lucas really made the series to be watched 4-6, 1-3?

That's a big reason why I would recommend a newcoming to see the OT first.

 

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James teh OG said:

- The Jedis just called them "apprentices", not "padawans".  And they don't have to wear 80's rat tails.

- We cut out that "youngling" crap and just say "Anakin killed the children".  That at least elicits an inherent human emotional response.

- General Grievous kicks ass like he did in Gennedy's "Clone Wars" shorts.

The real problem with the prequal were a couple of word choices. I agree. Major improvement already.

And I'd love to see Greivous as a stone-cold, silent, stalking, killing-machine with no character except being 'badass' like the Terminator. Or Darth Maul. Luca$h totally blew that one by giving him a personality and a voice.

 

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Knightmessenger said:
Gaffer Tape said:

Well, considering the Force, lightsabers, and mind tricks were all explained in the first movie, they really didn't need expositing again.

But according to Lucas, we're supposed to watch the movies in "Saga order." So then why would most stuff be explained only in Star Wars? Could it be that Lucas really made the series to be watched 4-6, 1-3?

That's a big reason why I would recommend a newcoming to see the OT first.

 

Exactly.  That's my point.  Despite Lucas's claims of what he wanted, he clearly made the films to be watched in a certain order: originals followed by prequels.  Granted, a few of his changes subvert this (like the end of ROTJ), but he's really serving two masters and doesn't really know what he's doing.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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skyjedi2005 said:

I would not have done the prequels period.  i would have moved the story forward and show Luke After Return of the Jedi.  I would have done a sequel trilogy with at least Mark Hamill if not Ford and Fisher.  But this would have had to be done before they were too old as they are now.

I still Believe if a new movie project went forward at this time Hamill could be the Alec Guiness Type passing on the torch to a new generation of jedi.

But that would mean either incorporating More EU garbage into the main star wars or Lucas creating his own new characters, Like His own Version of whether or not Leia and Han had kids that became jedi and so forth.

 

Kind of sounds like the new Star Wars book Outcast. I have yet to read it but it takes place 40 years after ROTJ.

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skyjedi2005 said:

I would not have done the prequels period.  i would have moved the story forward and show Luke After Return of the Jedi.  I would have done a sequel trilogy with at least Mark Hamill if not Ford and Fisher. 

Looking back now, I am glad Lucas didn't do 7,8,9.  Atleast with the PT, if we don't like it, we can erase it from the story, cause essentially it is about the rise of Anakin and the Empire in a nutshell.  You can enjoy 4,5,6 even today without the PT.

If Lucas made 7,8,9 and those movies sucked with Hammil, and possibly Ford and Fisher, that would have REALLY tarnished the OT.  Atleast now we can say that 4,5,6 are classics to us, and the PT is just a different story, whereas 7,8,9 would have been like Rocky V, where OUR heroes are in a crappy movie.

There is much truth to what you say.  Sometimes the promise of the unmade is way better than an actual made.  I love Twin Peaks and am extremely upset with where season 2 ended, but to be honest, I'm not sure an actual season 3 would have helped the show.  It gained cult status due to the missing 3rd season more than in spite of it.  I've really liked the 5 seasons of Lost, but it scares me to death that they are working on the 6th and final season.  They will probably screw it up.

I have Chris Gore's "The 50 Greatest Movies Never Made" on my shelf.  In the book, he reviews good, odd, bizzare, or whatever scripts/ideas that never got into production.  #3 on his list is: "Alien vs Predator."  It sure sounded like a good idea... but then someone went and made it.  :(

Also reminds me of the Donner cut of Superman 2.  As long as it was this unattainable cut, it was everything and anything fans wanted it to be.  Now that we've seen (most of) what was shot by Donner but not used by Lester, it's not quite the crown jewel it was made out to be.

Watchmen almost didn't get released due to legal shenanigans.  It would have been the best movie ever (or at least the best superhero movie ever), had it not come out.  It did come out, and at least for me it was very good but it didn't change my life.

 

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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TheBoost said:
James teh OG said:

- The Jedis just called them "apprentices", not "padawans".  And they don't have to wear 80's rat tails.

- We cut out that "youngling" crap and just say "Anakin killed the children".  That at least elicits an inherent human emotional response.

- General Grievous kicks ass like he did in Gennedy's "Clone Wars" shorts.

The real problem with the prequal were a couple of word choices. I agree. Major improvement already.

And I'd love to see Greivous as a stone-cold, silent, stalking, killing-machine with no character except being 'badass' like the Terminator. Or Darth Maul. Luca$h totally blew that one by giving him a personality and a voice.

 

 

 and a hacking, smokers cough.

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If it were up to me, there are soooo many changes I'd like to see in the prequels. Here are just a few off the top of my head.

First: get rid of R2 and C3PO as they serve no real purpose and just detract from anything going on in the story.  Most of their antics on screen were just plain stupid, if not out right annoying and cringe-making.  With them in there, it also makes Kenobis' line from SW "I don't seem to remember owning any driods" just sound plain stupid and at best amnesiac (he doesn't remember the cute R2 unit that shared his adventures and saved his life all those years ago???).  I really don't think George realises that the series is about Anikin Skywalkers' fall from grace and his redemption through his son (+the whole evil emipre thingy).  It really didn't need any other ties or threads to the later episodes at all.

First: I'd replace Hayden 'wot's 'is face' with an elm tree, because it's bound to be less wooden and give a more animated and believable performance in my opinion.

First: get rid of Greg Proops voice in the pod race - grrrr makes me want to kick puppies every time I hear that bit!

First: get rid of the whole podrace. It sucked (no further explanation needed).

First: get rid of the nickname 'Ani', because it makes him sound like a small orfin girl with red hair who sings lots and lots of annoying songs. That nickname is just far too cute. I mean, what self respecting stormtrooper would likely take orders from Darth Vader if they found out his name was Ani? Likely none of them.

First: remove everything that makes you think "holy hell that was stupid!". For example; almost every joke, stupid voice, midi-chlorians, or anything that a 5yo would find incredibly patronising.  You know, the stuff that makes you think "just get on with it!" while watching the movie.

First: find a better use for truly great actors like Brian Blessed other than making them sound like retarded Jamaicans. Anyone remember him from The Black Adder1 or Flash Gordon? That guys tallents were sooo wasted in Phantom Menace.

First: get rid of the whole Frankensteins’ monster bit at the end of Revenge of the Sith. That just looked idiotic.

First: use actual models instead of baaaaaad CGI.  These 'prequels' not only didn't fit in with the rest of the series superior model effects from the 70/80's, but the CGI just looks far too shiny and has no real 'weight' on the screen.  Add to this that if you watch them in episode order, then everything starts out very round in the first 3 movies until Episode 4 when all technology seemed to have jumped backwards about 100 years or more.

First: get rid of the wookies. Sorry, but they were more annoying than Ewoks (hard to believe I know).

First: get rid of the wookie-Tarzan yodel. Comedy mistake#1023: never tell the same joke twice!

First: Keep JarJar and even add a few more scenes with him ... being used in vivisection experiments (anyone see Simon Jansens' death of JarJar asciimation? Classic stuff!).

 

Phew, I'm almost out of breath now. Man I can't stand those crappy movies.  For me the only Star Wars movies are the original ones I saw as a kid in the 70's and 80's. I try real hard to forget that those other abominations even exist.

Many apologies if I went over board, but those movies make me get passionate about something which was a HUGE part of my life as a kid.

... anyways, that's just my 2c.

If television is chewing gum for the mind, then the prequels are the worlds first visual laxative.

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There has been a lot of threads already made like this, I made one myself almost a year ago. A lot of people here think that Star Wars is strictly a story about Luke Skywalker and the prequels never should've been made. I personally think the prequels have potential and we saw a glimps of that potential in TPM.

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I think I would actually focus on plot elements that actually seemed interesting.

Episode 1:  Jedi actually doing something about the slavery problem on Tatooine.  Making the Jedi mere patrol officers of the Republic doesn't give me any emotional investment when they are betrayed later in the series.  It would have been awesome to see Jedi acting more like heroes instead of mall cops.

Episode 2:  I think Episode 2 was the biggest waste as it had the most potential for an interesting story, and it was ignored.  The plot of Episode 1 was a set-up for the podrace and then the lightsaber fight at the end.  Episode 3 was Anakin's sociopathy on display and one mess of a movie.  But Episode 2 had potential.  The Sith, working behind the scenes, had orchestrated total control over two major governments in the galaxy and were pitting them against each other with the Jedi caught in the middle.  The Jedi were put into a position where they were doomed to be ground-up in the gears of war.  And that happened to the mysterious Sifo-Dyas?  Even Jango Fett had connections to the cloners of the Republic and the Seperatist droid factories?  That sounds suspicious to me, but the movie didn't do anything with that either.

Episode 3:  Anakin and Obi-wan should have been the best of friends and Anakin's seduction of the dark sides power should have been heartbreaking.  Instead, Anakin kills children and ultimately his wife who he was trying to save.  Maybe even a small hint of the birth of the rebellion might have been nice here as well.

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Sluggo said:

I think I would actually focus on plot elements that actually seemed interesting.

I soooo agree with that.

Episode 1:  Jedi actually doing something about the slavery problem on Tatooine.  Making the Jedi mere patrol officers of the Republic doesn't give me any emotional investment when they are betrayed later in the series.  It would have been awesome to see Jedi acting more like heroes instead of mall cops.

hahaha, 'mall cops' is such a great similie :)

Episode 2:  I think Episode 2 was the biggest waste as it had the most potential for an interesting story, and it was ignored. 

Personally, I find it hard to decide just which of those 3 movies was the biggest waste.

Episode 3 was Anakin's sociopathy on display and one mess of a movie.  

yep, again I totally agree with the 'one mess of a movie', but I think it equally applies to all 3 of them. They are all utterly flawed in some way.

The plot of Episode 1 was a set-up for the podrace and then the lightsaber fight at the end. But Episode 2 had potential.  The Sith, working behind the scenes, had orchestrated total control over two major governments in the galaxy and were pitting them against each other with the Jedi caught in the middle.  The Jedi were put into a position where they were doomed to be ground-up in the gears of war.  And that happened to the mysterious Sifo-Dyas?  Even Jango Fett had connections to the cloners of the Republic and the Seperatist droid factories?

I'd forgotten about Temuerra Morrison as JangoFett. That guy is such a crap actor, he could give Hayden 'wots' his name' a run for his money.

That sounds suspicious to me, but the movie didn't do anything with that either.

So many loose ends and interesting edges that could have been, but weren't.

Episode 3:  Anakin and Obi-wan should have been the best of friends and Anakin's seduction of the dark sides power should have been heartbreaking.  Instead, Anakin kills children and ultimately his wife who he was trying to save.  Maybe even a small hint of the birth of the rebellion might have been nice here as well.

You've got so many valid points Sluggo. Maybe GL should have invested in some of that famous 'turd polish' for his script before he started filming... or maybe he should just have bought a case of 'common sense' and 'good judgement' instead.

It's impossible to put into words just how much of a let down these movies were for me personally, especially as they could have been so very much more than the utter crap that they are.

If television is chewing gum for the mind, then the prequels are the worlds first visual laxative.

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ok,ok, so now I've vented my spleen, maybe it's time I got a bit more constructive.

I think the basic story and plot arc of those movies was reasonably ok, but like Knightmessenger said, could have done with a lot more tweaking. Get rid of the dumb crap for a start and it would instantly be more watchable.

Like Sluggo said, the Jedi should have been more kick ass and proactive and kick a few heads instead of being totally in the dark and reactive to every situation.  Give the Jedi a heart of gold, but throw in a bit of 'Sam Spade' grit as well.  It worked for the Han Solo character and I think it would make the Jedi characters more 3-dimensional.

I would also like to have seen the young Anikin use the force and cheat to win the pod race. This would have given us an inkling into a flaw in his character right from the start.  That flaw could grow as he got older and ultimately be exploited by Palpatine. I just didn't buy the utterly nicey nicey Anikin character being manipulated so easily and suddenly turning into the complete b*stard that he became in the later movies.

... just another 2c.

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Orinoco_Womble said:

I would also like to have seen the young Anikin use the force and cheat to win the pod race. This would have given us an inkling into a flaw in his character right from the start.  That flaw could grow as he got older and ultimately be exploited by Palpatine. I just didn't buy the utterly nicey nicey Anikin character being manipulated so easily and suddenly turning into the complete b*stard that he became in the later movies.

 

 Oh, yes.  I forgot about that.  I don't know if I would have needed to see Anakin cheat to win the race, but it would have been nice to see at least something of Anakin using the force in Episode 1.  He wins the podrace through skill and destroys the Trade Federation ship through dumb luck.  So much potential wasted.

The first we see of Anakin using the force is in Episode 2 when he is showing off while complaining about how Obi-wan would be grumpy.

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Orinoco_Womble said:

I think the basic story and plot arc of those movies was reasonably ok, but like Knightmessenger said, could have done with a lot more tweaking.

 

Honestly, given the sheer number of writers and rewrites on the OT, the fact Lucas wrote all of these in 6 months in one draft is the main weakness.  With some rewrites, some other voices in the process, better editing, and a bit more care with character, we might have been sad when Anakin's mom died, we might have beleived Padme and Anakin fell in love, we might have followed and been moved by Anakin's fall to the Dark Side, and we might have laughed at Jar Jar.

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TheBoost said: and we might have laughed at Jar Jar.

naahhhhhhh.

... although ... maybe if he was on fire.  Something like: "Owsa, mesa go burny-burnies!" ... and then Yoda bounces around the screen before stabbing him through the eye with a light-sabre as a mercy killing.  Then Yoda could say something really hilarious and profound like "the force was dumb with that one, hmmm".

 

Yeah, that could be funny.

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"Hokey Religions and Ancient Weapons"

Q: How is it that in only twenty years a person like Han (who would have been at least ten during the Clone Wars) talks about Jedi as if they were a myth?

A: Midi-chlorians.

What If: To help make the Jedi lose some luster, Darth Sidious spread a rumor that implied that the Force was not some divine power granted only to a special few.  But that it was some sort of genetically designed enhancement.  Something that the Jedi created to allow them to take over the universe.

This would allow Sidious to trick the Republic into believing that the Jedi were duplicitous and deserving of extermination.

 

What does anyone else think? 

Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.

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Monolithium said:

What If: To help make the Jedi lose some luster, Darth Sidious spread a rumor that implied that the Force was not some divine power granted only to a special few.  But that it was some sort of genetically designed enhancement.  Something that the Jedi created to allow them to take over the universe.

This would allow Sidious to trick the Republic into believing that the Jedi were duplicitous and deserving of extermination.

 

What does anyone else think? 

 It could be a good development if it was realized properly, I guess. That being said, the idea doesn't really catch my fancy. Sorry.

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I think I'd try to look at the ingredients that made the originals good movies, and focus on using those ingredients to create a new set of good movies that happen to take place in the same universe but about 19 years earlier with a couple of the same characters.  

 

So to boil it down to its most basic:

I'd seek to create a series of space adventures in which Anakin is trained by Kenobi, falls in love and gets someone pregnant unbeknownst to him, falls to the Dark Side, and helps hunt down and exterminate the Jedi.  

This would all be in the climate of the beginning of the Empire and the fall of the Republic.  But I'd remember that the politics should be the environment rather than the story itself.  It could provide macguffins to drive plots, but shouldn't bog the series down.  

I'd look to Kurosawa's Samurai films and a variety of other martial arts films, Westerns, and the legends of Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table for inspiration.  

I'd consider perhaps that there is too much subject material for three films, and choose to omit things, or to change the number of films and drop the episode numbers.  

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Episode 1

starts with Anakin as a Luke aged apprentice jedi just finishing his teachings with Yoda. He starts his field experience with Obi-Wan.

Palpatine is a senator from a planet under attack from a CAPABLE droid army with decent voices. Palpatine uses Darth Maul as leader of this army.

Anakin and Obi-Wan go to this planet with a security force to attack central droid control and shut it down. Anakin and Obi-Wan fight Darth Maul on control ship while security force on planet fights the droids with the help of a few Jedi. Darth Maul wounds Anakin and escapes into space aboard his Sith Infiltrator.

Anakin is quick to anger but always in control. Anakin meets female ruler of this planet at the end after saving the planet and is taken with her.

Droid army was made to force the senate to make a clone army to help fight the invasion.

Boba Fett is template for the clone army. We never see him without his armour or helmet on.

 

 

Episode 2

Anakin secretly has contact with queen and relation ship develops This is indicated and not shown except for the start. Clone troopers are ready. Palpatine is heralded a hero for the idea of an instant clone army to fight the droid army and is voted as Supreme Chancellor (or equivelent title)

Droid army control ships are back with Darth Maul in charge of a fleet of control ships that disperse to attack the republic on numerous fronts. The clone wars have begun.

Anakin and Obi-Wan have space battles versus fighters piloted by droids.

Assisted by Clone pilots and stormtroopers they fight their way to Darth Mauls main fleet.

A few clone troopers are characters that we begin to know (like the way we knew Veers, Piett, Ozzel etc).

Queen from the first film is captured. While imprisoned she is found to be pregnant.

Her capture is making Anakin lose control and Palpatine guides him in accessing his anger to make him more powerful to wipe out this droid army and get his girlfriend the queen back.

 

Episode 3.

Anakin blames Obi-Wan for holding him back and not allowing his full anger to help him save his love (the queen).

Palpatine is still telling Anakin anger makes him more powerful with the force and soon he will be powerful enough to find his love (the queen). Final confrontation with Maul, Obi-Wan kills Maul while Anakin wanted him alive to find out where the queen is. Anakin is so angry at Obi-Wan for destroying any chance of finding his queen, fights Obi-Wan to the end. Obi-Wan beats him. Anakin changes to the dark side after Maul dies and during the fight with Obi-Wan. Anakin now hates the jedi. Down but not out Anakin is rescued from near death by Royal Guards. Vaders suit is seen but is not worn by Anakin.

Many Jedi are killed during the final fights with the droid army 

A small number of planets that are being 'protected' by clone trooper armies are decimated in the need for materiels for war.  Stormtroopers force civilians from their homes and execute governments for not helping the war effort. Pleas for help are ignored as the senate sees the need for war materials and allows the excessive manufacturing and waste of these worlds. The rebellion is born.

Stormtroopers are given orders to kill Jedi by Palpatine who is now commander and chief of clone army. Stormtroopers reluctantly kill Jedi for being labelled traitors by Palpatine for trying to protect the worlds destroyed by manufacturing war materials. Most obey orders but not all. A small number of Jedi escape and go into hiding.

 

Obi-Wan finds the queen who has two new born twins. Luke is taken for protection with Obi-Wan and Leia goes with her mother to Alderaan.

 

 

 

 

 

Notes.

Darth Maul has hologram meetings with his master Palpatine throughout the 3 movies.

Anakin is only referred to as Darth Vader at the end of Episode 3 by Palpatine as he needs to be reborn as a Sith master to fulfil his destiny and make the Jedi pay for losing his queen. Anger clouds his judgement which is why he can't sense the queen or his children.

Some worlds that are seen and fought on that are harvested for war materials include Kashyyyk, Calamar and Sullust.

 

I'll try and flesh this out more but this is easier to understand and involves a minimum of politics.

Battle droids the robotic incarnations of Jar Jar Binks.

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I always loved the mystery behind the back story of the OT and when the PT was announced I was over the moon...of course after the initial excitement of seeing them back on the big screen I wished they'd never been done.

I have a son and daughter who are still young but I sometimes think "what order should we watch them in?"

 

He's more machine now than man...twisted and evil