rcb said:Bingowings said:Droids in the Star Wars universe are slaves (as are the Clones).
So they will politely take whatever is thrown at them.
If Dooku had ordered them to try their best to kill Grevious they would do that politely too (just as the Clones do when ordered to kill their former Generals).
Neither army is evil as such as they lack free will.
The sequel saga (which George says will never happen) should have dealt with this issue.
Obi-Wan does postulate the interesting notion of, "Well, if droids could think, none of us would be here".
The saga has two droids as main characters who constantly use their own initiative, it's not a huge leap to imagine a nuGalactica style droid/clone epiphanic revolt.
Though this thread isn't really the place for talking about such things as none of this has much of a bearing on ROTJ or ESB (other than altering the stupid comedy droid torture scene).
ahem* i would like to point u out to the novels and read them. u will find that a clone is more of an individual then is shown in the movies. they don't lack free will. one of them had sex with a jedi and had a little mando/jedi baby. i needn't go anyfurther
Seeing as none of the books are part of the film series, no you needn't go any further.
In the films as they stand the droids and clones are slaves created and programmed and no more responsible for what they do than my toaster (though the moments where R2 and Threepio seem to stretch beyond the limitations of blindly following orders as given are very interesting and something which flies in the face of George's claim that there is no more story to tell....on screen).
Seeing as this is a ROTJ and ESB thread it's the last I shall say on the subject here.
Unsure if this has been covered or not. If it has been, I apologise. I've skimmed through this thread as much as my patience will allow.
This isn't a suggestion but more an observation (as not only would it be impossible for anyone but lucasfilm to do, but few fans would desire the change) but it always seemed odd to me that Lucasfilm would change Anakin's ghost at the end of Return of the Jedi, yet keep Vader unmasked the same. Now I understand that he's aged, but still - it is obvious to anyone that this is not an aging Hayden Christensen.
I would have expected lucas to have changed unmasked vader to something along the lines of this publicity pic (only aged more with makeup):
This would have at least added continuity, whether it outraged the fans or not.
EDIT: I have no idea why the image has formatted itself to the right.
It would be easy to blurt out something like, "Don't give George any more ideas" but you do make a very valid point.
While I think Seb Shaw looks fine as he is now that his eye colour is changed and the bushy eyebrows are gone, I am surprised that George didn't go all the way and remove him from the DVD version altogether.
Perhaps he thought that a quick cut and paste of Hayden's head on his ghost was enough.
It's a bit hard to explain how the former jerk over the years developed a clear RP English accent for example.
My personal solution to this problem would be to re-dub all of Anakin's PT dialogue with a good RP English voice actor rather than the much easier reverse solution. Bogged down as I currently am with altering dialogue with the music and sound effects getting in the way, that may prove to be too hard a task without the source materials (which George has presumably).