ImperialFighter said:vaderios said:Also impfighter take a look at this.
Full rez here: http://tof.canardpc.com/view/ea2c96eb-2276-451a-b935-f55a13eb8aab
-Angel
It's all Greek to me! ;)
I'll give it a go vaderios - where your first point is concerned, as far as I can make out on my screen when watching the SE DVD, the darker(?)-shaded 'edging' that goes all the way around the top of the 'sunken' control bays seems to vary in 'hue' and the 'shine' of the 'flooring' from shot to shot, depending on the lighting conditions they were filmed in. For instance, there is a varying 'sheen', just like how the uppermost surfaces of Adywan's terrific added 'stairs' seen on page 1 (with recent updated info.) of this thread 'reflect' differently to nearby parts of the main 'flooring' too.
I've no problem with any of them, nor your example above which comes immediately after we hear Captain Needa order "Shields up!" as the Falcon flies near, as I can still make out the defining 'contrast' of where this 'edging' is. All of these shots will be nicely improved with Adywan's colour-correction anyway.
As far as those bottom shots of the Bridge and the Bounty Hunters go - it does seem that behind the 'close-up' shot of the Boutnty Hunters when Vader says "There will be a substantial reward for the one who finds the Millennium Falcon", that the back of the side 'alcove' area is solid in the footage. Unfortunately, although you've shown a mock-up showing where a 'starfield' window backdrop could be, it's a moving shot, and I don't know if this is achievable.
However, that is assuming that this side 'alcove' is symmetrically identical with the one opposite it, in the first place.... We never see another example of a direct shot of this particular side, and only see that the other side 'alcove' opposite it happens to be 'windowed'....when Vader enters that side with Admiral Piett, near the end.
And as far as your other smaller shots overlayed on the right-hand side go, I agree that the width of 'opening' to the Bridge 'entrance' set (also seen when Vader exits at the end) seems to be 'narrower' than the width of the one shown in the biggest overall shot.... Although I generally like your amended mock-up for that, again I can live with this other brief questionmark over the set dimensions if need be. We'll see what Ady decides.
On a more bothersome note, and I don't remember this being brought up yet - near the end of the 'Bounty Hunters' scene, we see Boba Fett saying "As you wish" with IG-88 on his right-hand side. We then immediately cut to the very last shot in the scene, behind a 'close-up' of who I always assumed was Boba Fett, with IG-88 still on his right-hand side, as we see Admiral Piett tell Vader "Lord Vader. My lord, we have them"
Well, it turns out to be a 'continuity' nightmare, since it's not Boba Fett after all, but the back of Dengar! With IG-88 on his right....who is without the gun we could see near his left arm in the previous shot beside Boba Fett....
Here's a reference shot of Dengar near IG-88 in an unused shot shown on some packaging - http://www.ioffer.com/img/item/190/473/57/o_kenner_dengar.JPG.jpg
And here's a look at some of Dengar's backpack details which although not 100% accurate here, prove it's Dengar in the footage rather than Boba Fett in that last shot - http://www.monstersinmotion.com/catalog/images/tv/d3.jpg
Unfortunately, I don't think even Adywan can rectify this last shot in the 'Bounty Hunters' scene....as although it could be 'flipped' into reverse to make Dengar seem positioned to the right of IG-88 (to match where he was seen at the start of the scene), this would then throw up issues of Vader's direction of travel in the shot (as well as issues of reversed chestbuttons and silver belt detail too)....and as if that's not bad enough, the background should surely be showing the 'sunken' control bays anyway, considering we are positioned behind these Bounty Hunters now?....rather than the section of the set that we DO see at this point! :(
There is no continuity problem here. Dengar is always at the left side of IG88 (check out the first shot of the scene from the Pit point of view). Its all to do with the angles of the camera in each shot. If you look closely you will see that you wouldn't see Dengar in the close up shots featuring Boba Fett and when Vader walks down the stairs Dengar is again in shot in the correct position.
Also this scene isn't meant to be set on the bridge. That's why they closed off the window and why i won't be adding the control room to the shot after vader walks down the stairs so it remains a corridor. Noting to do here (apart from the impossible continuity error of Piette magically appearing at the end of the pit which is impossible to fix)
Isley said:Hey Adi, just checked all the changes in page one and this caught my eyes :
9. Fixing it so the hanger doors only close once.
There's one other thing you could fix here (if you haven't already in which case I apologise for this useless reply :D ) :
Right after those doors have been closed Chewie howls and leans his head on the ladder, as shown below.
In the next scene 3PO tells R2 that Luke will be alright and yadda yadda, and THEN you can see Chewie leaning his head again, just as he did one minute before.
So... Is this a continuity mistake or is it just me?
There is a section where we only see 3PO & R2 between the two shots so chewie could easily have moved his head (as he does in a couple of shots). I don't see a problem here.
oh_riginal said:Okay, yet another question for Ady, concerning the Millennium Falcon's engine glow... (seems to be my new obsession!)
In ANH, when the Falcon escapes Docking Bay 94, we see the engine lit up, but with some detail to the exhaust, THEN we see the engine boost for take-off, like so:
However, in the shot of the Falcon lifting off from the platform on Cloud City, the engines appear to be fully lit the entire time.
I just wanted to ask, is this going to be made to be consistent with the shot from ANH? It may not be a big deal to most, but I'd love to see this changed to match the other footage, especially since there is a boosting sound effect there now (I believe there wasn't one in the official release, correct?)
No. In ANH we see it power up and you see the rear of the falcon from the moment it is taking off. In the Bespin platform shot we don't see the engines power up as the Falcon is facing the camera then turns to fly off, but by this time the engines have already powered up.
Don't forget that the engine sound effect was only added for the trailer because i had to add new sound FX because i couldn't use the movies soundtrack due to the music in that shot.. this isn't how it appears in the movie
oh_riginal said:Jedi Dark Knight said:oh!....an improvement of the same effect? mmmm Angel did a great job with the part closest to the hull, maybe keep that and leave out the trails....? (yeah Trekkish all the way)
In the actual shot, the effect doesn't bother me at all until a trail begins to show... the boost itself looks fine, but toward the end of the shot, when a trail begins to show, it looks like animation.
Yeah, it's definitely the trail that bothers me. It looks drawn onto the frame (which I'm sure it was.)
So again I ask, will there be any fixes planned for this, Ady?
yes i will be redoing the effect
vaderios said:oh_riginal said:While thats the idea I'm thinking of, the visual seems to be overkill. It should only be a blueish color, correct?
Yes and no.
I mean you are correct but id like to have more that one color in one shot.
Or keep the blue and add some lasers from the SD :)
-RoboAngel
ah, the biggest problem with what i call the "digital generation". Everything has to be colourful all the time and sometimes to the point of over saturation. A main reason why much of today's effect and films just looks terrible and fake. The OT always had that monochromatic look to it. The colours were never over the top and in your face. The space scenes were always drab with flashes of colour here and there during battles and it worked. Now look at the PT and almost every shot has to be colourful and we all know how much that didn't work. This is one reason i think they added the blue tint to the OT (Ep's 4 & 5 especially) to remove that monochromatic look so it seemed to be as colourful as the PT. Jedi was a little more colourful than the first 2 so maybe that's why the tint was hardly present in that movie.