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Oh_riginal, I see your point now (thank for the screencaps) it's not the boost effect but rather the fire that trails into nowhere....mmmm....ok...maybe something could be done....now I'm not close to photoshop right now to wip up some ideas....I dunno if the Man for the Job could be Angel as he does some great stuff....(as Darth Solo so rightly put it, his mock-ups are definitely a must see here!)

Just wondering ady, when the falcon fly bys from the SD bridge and need and the other dude are rising again can you add some motion blur to their movements/outines. because the keying seems to taken care the feather edges.

Also you can spot the difference when needa leaves. The motion appears in the set but not in the space.

EDIT: now look how gentle Needa is. he has even a rouge makeup :)

Im referring to the awesome... i mean bad skin tones sometimes.

Do you see similarities?

-Angel

Also see some detail is lost. I mean.

the path that leads to the bridge is lighter that the stroke around the hole that the officers are.

so:

Edit: big pic:

Also impfighter take a look at this.

Full rez here: http://tof.canardpc.com/view/ea2c96eb-2276-451a-b935-f55a13eb8aab

-Angel

oh_riginal said:

Jedi Dark Knight said:

oh!....an improvement of the same effect? mmmm Angel did a great job with the part closest to the hull, maybe keep that and leave out the trails....?  (yeah Trekkish all the way)

 

In the actual shot, the effect doesn't bother me at all until a trail begins to show... the boost itself looks fine, but toward the end of the shot, when a trail begins to show, it looks like animation.

These first 3 images of the shot look fine to me:

 

These next 4 images? Not so much:

 

 

 

Yeah, it's definitely the trail that bothers me. It looks drawn onto the frame (which I'm sure it was.)

So again I ask, will there be any fixes planned for this, Ady?

 

 

 

Thinking further on this, I began to question... is there ANY other shot anywhere in the OT where the trail gets this long other than in this shot? The Falcon's engines have a boost in a few shots throughout the OT if I remember right, but I'm not sure if there was ever a trail left as long as the one in the shot of the MF turning around. It appears to be over-exaggerated in this one sequence compared to the rest of the OT!

Perhaps it would be better to just lessen the trail by not making it as long? Or just removing the trail altogether and just leave the image of the boost itself? I'm just thinking about continuity with this suggestion, but maybe I'm wrong and the trail is shown in another shot in the OT somewhere, but I don't recall.

Well, ady zoom the image when vader leaves at the final scene and with that way he covered the misplaced alcone/exit without showing the end of the other pylon.

if the bridge have a continuity the alcone section defines a more correct approach between shots.

If that is true then the panel that is in the middle of the path in ROTJ is correct. ( we see the same in ESB the pica above)

The matte changes the actual set so the establishing shot be more clear.

As for  the floor contrast that was a stylized move lol.

-Angel

Okay, yet another question for Ady, concerning the Millennium Falcon's engine glow... (seems to be my new obsession!)

In ANH, when the Falcon escapes Docking Bay 94, we see the engine lit up, but with some detail to the exhaust, THEN we see the engine boost for take-off, like so:

However, in the shot of the Falcon lifting off from the platform on Cloud City, the engines appear to be fully lit the entire time. The following image is from the ESB:R trailer:

This specific frame of the shot is from just before the Falcon's engine can be heard boosting off.

I just wanted to ask, is this going to be made to be consistent with the shot from ANH? It may not be a big deal to most, but I'd love to see this changed to match the other footage, especially since there is a boosting sound effect there now (I believe there wasn't one in the official release, correct?)

I wondered that. I liked that special edition addition. I thought it should launch like that.

Hell ady might be able to take the engine from ANHR and place it on the falcon. I dont know if it will be easy but for someon to redo bits of the battle of yavin with photographs of ships can do almost anything I guess

I do like that grille deal they added to it in close-ups.

I had no idea their were special editions until like 2 years after they were released LOL. I had always had the 1990 Vhs boxset and that is all I had ever seen. I watched Star Wars ANH on dish at my grandparents house and I saw the jabba the hutt scene and the takeoff scene and I was confused. I thought that wasn't in the original was it? It took me a while to find out that george had redone the original trilogy. I look back on it and laugh because right after I saw that I watched ANH at home and kept my eyes glued to the set looking for those inclusions LOL. I was a child but dense nonetheless. I thought they always had the ability to make movies with CGI. Hell I was really little when jurassic park came out. I didn't pay attention to the CGI, to me they were real dinosaurs. I miss having the eyes and mind of a child. Nothing was fake even the cheesiest effects.

It would still be badass. Several scenese could have the engine glow effect. even show the millenium falcon taking off from the belly of the space slug (Though not needed) would be nice.

ImperialFighter said:

or_iginal, it only took a few moments before the Falcon's full engine 'glow' appeared in that SE addition in 'ANH', as it rose upwards.  We saw the rear 'detail' for a short time, but overall it was fully 'glowing' pretty quickly after lifting off.

As far as the 'platform' take-off, there was plenty of time for it to have been fully 'aglow' from when Chewie sits down to charge up the engines (C3PO gets dragged by R2, and then we see Stormtroopers firing in-between times), to when we see it lift off the platform.  Also, it's almost facing us as we first see it turn around as it takes off from the platform, so this all makes it consistent with being fully 'aglow' by the time we see the rear of it. 

The sound effect just seems to tie-in with when the Falcon zooms off straight ahead, after it has lifted up and fully turned.  Although the engines are already fully 'aglow' at this point, it works fine for me I have to say.  I think you could be right about that sound effect in the trailer not being audible in the official release, perhaps due to the crescendo of the music at this point.

But when you watch the shot of the Falcon taking off from Docking Bay 94, the glow doesn't go full until you hear the engine roar at full strength.

Your point wouldn't be an issue for me, but when Ady added the sound effect to the Cloud City shot (I just checked the DVD version of this shot and compared it to the ESB:R trailer version and indeed the sound effect was not present before, at least not where Ady placed it), now it just seems natural to let the engine go full blue on cue with the engine roar, rather than be full blue the entire time.

Also, I think where Ady placed that sound cue is perfect, as all the Falcon does is lift up and turn around, THEN boosts off, which makes the new engine roar placement logical. Now all that is needed (just my opinion) is for the engine glow to match the sound of the liftoff.

Not to get off topic but oh_riginal I love your signature. And I agree we need more engine hotness LOL. It was beautiful actually out of all of the additions I liked the falcon takeoff the best.

ImperialFighter said:

vaderios said:

Also impfighter take a look at this.

Full rez here: http://tof.canardpc.com/view/ea2c96eb-2276-451a-b935-f55a13eb8aab

 

-Angel

 

It's all Greek to me!  ;)

 

I'll give it a go vaderios -  where your first point is concerned, as far as I can make out on my screen when watching the SE DVD, the darker(?)-shaded 'edging' that goes all the way around the top of the 'sunken' control bays seems to vary in 'hue' and the 'shine' of the 'flooring' from shot to shot, depending on the lighting conditions they were filmed in.  For instance, there is a varying 'sheen', just like how the uppermost surfaces of Adywan's terrific added 'stairs' seen on page 1 (with recent updated info.) of this thread 'reflect' differently to nearby parts of the main 'flooring' too.

I've no problem with any of them, nor your example above which comes immediately after we hear Captain Needa order "Shields up!" as the Falcon flies near, as I can still make out the defining 'contrast' of where this 'edging' is.  All of these shots will be nicely improved with Adywan's colour-correction anyway.

 

As far as those bottom shots of the Bridge and the Bounty Hunters go -  it does seem that behind the 'close-up' shot of the Boutnty Hunters when Vader says "There will be a substantial reward for the one who finds the Millennium Falcon", that the back of the side 'alcove' area is solid in the footage.  Unfortunately, although you've shown a mock-up showing where a 'starfield' window backdrop could be, it's a moving shot, and I don't know if this is achievable. 

However, that is assuming that this side 'alcove' is symmetrically identical with the one opposite it, in the first place....  We never see another example of a direct shot of this particular side, and only see that the other side 'alcove' opposite it happens to be 'windowed'....when Vader enters that side with Admiral Piett, near the end.

And as far as your other smaller shots overlayed on the right-hand side go, I agree that the width of 'opening' to the Bridge 'entrance' set (also seen when Vader exits at the end) seems to be 'narrower' than the width of the one shown in the biggest overall shot....  Although I generally like your amended mock-up for that, again I can live with this other brief questionmark over the set dimensions if need be.  We'll see what Ady decides.

 

On a more bothersome note, and I don't remember this being brought up yet -  near the end of the 'Bounty Hunters' scene, we see Boba Fett saying "As you wish" with IG-88 on his right-hand side.  We then immediately cut to the very last shot in the scene, behind a 'close-up' of who I always assumed was Boba Fett, with IG-88 still on his right-hand side, as we see Admiral Piett tell Vader "Lord Vader.  My lord, we have them"

Well, it turns out to be a 'continuity' nightmare, since it's not Boba Fett after all, but the back of Dengar!  With IG-88 on his right....who is without the gun we could see near his left arm in the previous shot beside Boba Fett....

Here's a reference shot of Dengar near IG-88 in an unused shot shown on some packaging -  http://www.ioffer.com/img/item/190/473/57/o_kenner_dengar.JPG.jpg

And here's a look at some of Dengar's backpack details which although not 100% accurate here, prove it's Dengar in the footage rather than Boba Fett in that last shot -  http://www.monstersinmotion.com/catalog/images/tv/d3.jpg

 

Unfortunately, I don't think even Adywan can rectify this last shot in the 'Bounty Hunters' scene....as although it could be 'flipped' into reverse to make Dengar seem positioned to the right of IG-88 (to match where he was seen at the start of the scene), this would then throw up issues of Vader's direction of travel in the shot (as well as issues of reversed chestbuttons and silver belt detail too)....and as if that's not bad enough, the background should surely be showing the 'sunken' control bays anyway, considering we are positioned behind these Bounty Hunters now?....rather than the section of the set that we DO see at this point!  :(

 

There is no continuity problem here. Dengar is always at the left side of IG88 (check out the first shot of the scene from the Pit point of view). Its all to do with the angles of the camera in each shot. If you look closely you will see that you wouldn't see Dengar in the close up shots featuring Boba Fett and when Vader walks down the stairs Dengar is again in shot in the correct position.

Also this scene isn't meant to be set on the bridge. That's why they closed off the window and why i won't be adding the control room to the shot after vader walks down the stairs so it remains a corridor. Noting to do here (apart from the impossible continuity error of Piette magically appearing at the end of the pit which is impossible to fix)

Isley said:

Hey Adi, just checked all the changes in page one and this caught my eyes :

9. Fixing it so the hanger doors only close once.

 

There's one other thing you could fix here (if you haven't already in which case I apologise for this useless reply :D ) :

Right after those doors have been closed Chewie howls and leans his head on the ladder, as shown below.

 

In the next scene 3PO tells R2 that Luke will be alright and yadda yadda, and THEN you can see Chewie leaning his head again, just as he did one minute before.

 

So... Is this a continuity mistake or is it just me?

There is a section where we only see 3PO & R2 between the two shots so chewie could easily have moved his head (as he does in a couple of shots). I don't see a problem here.

oh_riginal said:

Okay, yet another question for Ady, concerning the Millennium Falcon's engine glow... (seems to be my new obsession!)

In ANH, when the Falcon escapes Docking Bay 94, we see the engine lit up, but with some detail to the exhaust, THEN we see the engine boost for take-off, like so:

 

 

However, in the shot of the Falcon lifting off from the platform on Cloud City, the engines appear to be fully lit the entire time.

I just wanted to ask, is this going to be made to be consistent with the shot from ANH? It may not be a big deal to most, but I'd love to see this changed to match the other footage, especially since there is a boosting sound effect there now (I believe there wasn't one in the official release, correct?)

No. In ANH we see it power up and you see the rear of the falcon from the moment it is taking off. In the Bespin platform shot we don't see the engines power up as the Falcon is facing the camera then turns to fly off, but by this time the engines have already powered up.

Don't forget that the engine sound effect was only added for the trailer because i had to add new sound FX because i couldn't use the movies soundtrack due to the music in that shot.. this isn't how it appears in the movie

oh_riginal said:

Jedi Dark Knight said:

oh!....an improvement of the same effect? mmmm Angel did a great job with the part closest to the hull, maybe keep that and leave out the trails....?  (yeah Trekkish all the way)

 

In the actual shot, the effect doesn't bother me at all until a trail begins to show... the boost itself looks fine, but toward the end of the shot, when a trail begins to show, it looks like animation.

Yeah, it's definitely the trail that bothers me. It looks drawn onto the frame (which I'm sure it was.)

So again I ask, will there be any fixes planned for this, Ady?

yes i will be redoing the effect

vaderios said:

oh_riginal said:

While thats the idea I'm thinking of, the visual seems to be overkill. It should only be a blueish color, correct?

Yes and no.

I mean you are correct but id like to have more that one color in one shot.

Or keep the blue and add some lasers from the SD :)

-RoboAngel

 

ah, the biggest problem with what i call the "digital generation". Everything has to be colourful all the time and sometimes to the point of over saturation. A main reason why much of today's effect and films just looks terrible and fake. The OT always had that monochromatic look to it. The colours were never over the top and in your face. The space scenes were always drab with flashes of colour here and there during battles and it worked. Now look at the PT and almost every shot has to be colourful and we all know how much that didn't work. This is one reason i think they added the blue tint to the OT (Ep's 4 & 5 especially) to remove that monochromatic look so it seemed to  be as colourful as the PT. Jedi was a little more colourful than the first 2 so maybe that's why the tint was hardly present in that movie.

I see ady. I agree the soundtrack was bothersome in some shots. It worked well but was just plopped over the movie in some scenes. I know you reinserted Boba's original voice in BUT. In the scene were he says "put captain solo in the cargo hold" the original background music was looped in one part which stuck out only for those who listened to the soundtrack. They fixed it in the 04 dvds but the GOUT had it looped. I just wanted to know if it was fixed. If you dont know what I mean the music goes Dah Dah, Dah dahdah. but in the gout it is edited like this. Dah Dah/loop Dah Dah, Dah Dahdah. The soundtrack is different. Then another scene when luke falls leaps from the gantry, right before he goes in to the tube the music kind of cuts and loops in all versions. I know you are doing audio later but are these things you will be doing?

adywan said:

No. In ANH we see it power up and you see the rear of the falcon from the moment it is taking off. In the Bespin platform shot we don't see the engines power up as the Falcon is facing the camera then turns to fly off, but by this time the engines have already powered up.

Don't forget that the engine sound effect was only added for the trailer because i had to add new sound FX because i couldn't use the movies soundtrack due to the music in that shot.. this isn't how it appears in the movie

Damn, I actually liked the new placement of the sound effect, and thought that you were changing the audio for that shot. It sounds logical to have it there.

Okay, here's my final attempt to sway you, Ady... in ANH:R (which I just watched a bit ago to search for other examples of how the engine glow works) there is the sequence of the Falcon lifting up, going into reverse, and turning around, as Han and co. are escaping the Death Star after Obi Wan's self-sacrifice. In THIS shot, the glow is full while the Falcon turns around, BUT... when it boosts off, the glow intensifies quite a bit... so, could there at least be a similar change in the intensity of the engine glow as the Falcon finishes turning around and boosts off from the Bespin platform? This may also require adding that sound effect placement from the trailer... but I like where it is placed in the trailer, so that wouldn't bother me one bit.

My logic for being so strong behind this idea is that the Falcon is not casually lifting up, turning around, and flying away. If it were, then no intensifying of the engine glow wouldn't bother me so much. But like the Death Star take-off sequence, the Falcon is trying to escape, so it would seem like the Falcon would be in a hurry to fly off just the same as before.

Sorry if I'm being buggy about all of this. If you say no, thats cool. Just thought it would be worth a try.

BTW, awesome to hear you're upgrading the boost effect in the Avenger chase sequence!

EyeShotFirst said:

Not to get off topic but oh_riginal I love your signature.

It's from the lyrics of one of the songs in the musical episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

adywan said:

Also this scene isn't meant to be set on the bridge. That's why they closed off the window and why i won't be adding the control room to the shot after vader walks down the stairs so it remains a corridor. Noting to do here (apart from the impossible continuity error of Piette magically appearing at the end of the pit which is impossible to fix)

No in the bridge? then where? all points shows that is the bridge.

Always you know something more than me so be my guest :)

-Angel

DarthBo said:

 Now look at the turret in the background...

OH! epic fail lol :P

easy to fix tho.

i dont know about the soldiers

-Angel