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Mielr said:

Grease 2

 

Blasphemy!!!

 

What's more rewarding than a young Michelle Phieffer straddling a motorcycle singing "cool rider..coo-ool rider"

 

Stuff of young boys dreams that!!

 

 

 

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I loved all the main Resident Evil Games but the PS2 Outbreak games are awful.

I enjoyed Code Veronica a great deal (cross dressing Aryan wierdoes and women turning into ants, common! What's not to love?).

The films completely missed the mark, Resident Evil is about isolation, normally (you mostly follow one character and bump into a few others along the way) the big mistake with the films was to follow the horror cliche of having a group with the lead who get bumped off as the film progresses.

The Silent Hill film almost got it right but the huge exposition data dump buggered it up, Silent Hill is more like a David Lynch/Carnival Of Souls sort of scenerio where the narrative is deliberatly obscured in a dreamlike fashion so we didn't need any explanations. The only character in that film that should feel like a real person should have been Rose.

The Resident Evil films also forgot that giant animals are a major element in the games (it adds to that 1950's sci-fi vibe), where were the giant spiders, giant snakes, giant scorpions, giant centipedes, giant moths?

And where were the strange gothic environments?

There's a fan edit in there somewhere Anaconda, Eight Legged Freaks, Mimic, King Kong  even a few bits from The Fly II mixed in with all the the Resident Evil films and Legend Of Hell House might make for a really good Resident Evil film.

The film series didn't really work from the beginning so it's a bit off topic of me to have a dig at them on a sequel thread but the sad thing is that a really good Resident Evil film could be made.

Like Star Wars, Resident Evil is a compendium of ideas from other sources, mostly cinematic in nature so it should translate well back into cinema.

If you haven't seen it before this guy overeacting to Resident Evil 2 is hilarious (now with subtitles) :

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The problem with the Resident Evil films from the fans point of view, is that they made a concious decision to abandon the games story line and let them go in their own direction with Alice and that whole plot line. As reflected by Jill's exclaiming in the second film of, "Who the fuck are you!" when she first meets Alice, which was obviously put in there because that was exactly what fans were thinking when they were first introduced to Alice in the first film. I actually enjoyed them well enough as crappy zombie flicks. I wasn't that into RE when the first two movies came out, though I was familiar with them and had played them some. It was RE4 that really got me invested in the series, which to most RE fans would place me in the category of "not a true fan" since the hardcore RE guys tend to say RE4 and RE5 such as REs. 

I think the movies would have been more interesting had they stuck closer to the original story. The "haunted mansion" that turns out to be more than meets the eye, the hidden laboratory build underneath it and all that were really cool ideas. The first two games (haven't played much of 3 or Code:V) were very claustrophobic, which really added to the tension. I think this could have been translated well to screen. Instead, we have a very nice and clean spacious mansion, and a huge laboratory with plenty of room to move around in.

Like I said, I didn't find the movies to be as awful as most people do. I guess I tolerate them for what they are. But I dream of what could have been, had they chosen to follow the games even to a slight degree. Ideally the first three films would have been adaptions of the first and second game, followed by Code: Veronica.

I think the reason video game films always stray so far from their source is because film makers feel that they don't what to show the fans something they have already seen. Which is crazy, because that is EXACTLY what the fans are looking for. We have no problem showing readers stories they have already read in books with book to film adaptions, and no problem remaking old films that people have seen hundreds of times before. So I am not sure why this kind of thinking persists with video games movies. 

Especially today, when games are incredibly cinematic to begin with, just makes sense that should much more easily be adapted to film.

 

 

 

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I finally got around to seeing Terminator 4 (just now) and to be honest I can't see what all the fuss is about.

In fact I think the first three quarters are maybe the best Terminator ever to be put onto film, it's only the final act where things get messed up and there I detect the hand of studio execs or preview screenings because the last act is so really messed up and the rest is so reverentially handled and well structured (well for a Terminator film) that I can't believe that was the plan from the very beginning.

It's certainly hard to believe that the guy who was so awful as Chekov in the much applauded and over-rated Star Trek reboot is so good as Kyle Reese here.

It was even more spooky than the virtual Arnie how close he emulated Michael Biehn's body language and mannerisms, I could really believe that he would one day grow up to be that person.

And while it ticked all the boxes it also flowed rather well, what was silly about it is what is silly about almost all Terminator films (why do the endoskeletons go around in the nude, surely they should go back to base and get a new skin when the old one gets blasted or worn off, why doesn't Skynet just engineer a virus to kill off humans or continue to crank up the radiation levels until humans drop down dead, why do they continue to have HUD displays all of which are in English?)

It's a much better film than 2 or 3 even with the muddled last quarter.

Terminator 4 is certainly not on my worst sequel list though I would love to see a re-edit.

There is a funny thing going on at the moment where not bad films are being shafted by critics, while so-so and even awful films are being praised to the hilt and the general public seem to be falling for it.

Clone Wars for all it's faults is nowhere near as bad as people were reporting it to be for example, where as Star Trek was just average.

I also didn't think that A Quantum Of Solace was that different in quality or style than Casino Royale yet one was praised and the other largely panned. The end of Casino Royale was just as nutty as the end of AQOS (both could sit well in a Roger Moore Bond,the end of CR could almost have been an outake from Moonraker) and what was great about CR was just as good in AQOS.

 

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T4 suffers from several problems:

1) John Connor.  His scenes are really rather pointless, at least until Marcus reaches him.  CHUD has a report on the original script before Bale's requested rewrites, and Connor is only in the last 10 minutes or so of the film - his voice is heard on the radio by Reese and Marcus, and when he "interrogates" Marcus he does so via intercom.  He's the one on the sub the entire time, so no one ever really sees him.

2) On-the-fly rewrites.  After Bale joined the cast, initially as Marcus, he decided he wanted to be John Connor instead, but wanted more than 10 minutes of screen time.  So all his scenes were added in, as well as the subplot of the signal that stops the machines (which makes little sense to me).

3) Using Reese as bait to draw out Connor.  If it were me, I would have just had Reese be captured like the others, and put to work as he describes in T1.  Marcus then decides to go get him, etc. etc.  But the whole bait thing was just ... um ... stupid.

4) The ending.  I'm apparently one of the few that would have been just fine with the original ending - Connor dies, and since he's been living on the sub and no one has seen his face except those on the sub, they replace Marcus' skin with Connor's, so now Marcus is Connor.  The ending was leaked, people freaked out, and they changed it to the "heart transplant" ending.

5) The T-800.  There's no reason whatsoever for the T-800 to be in this film.  Especially the way they CG'd Arnold's face onto the other dude's body.  And for fuck's sake, they don't all have to look like Arnold!  He's model 101.  They showed a different model T-800 in T1 in Reese's flashback, and he looked nothing like Arnold.

All in all, though, it was better than T3, but pales in comparison to T1 and T2.

And yeah, Anton Yelchin was awesome as Reese.

A T4 that focused on Reese would have been the way to go, but Bale had to weild his ungodly mega-star power and force rewrites.

That's not to say the original script was amazing - there was the whole "Project Angel" thing ...

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Here's the CHUD article that details the original script.

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That explains why the last act didn't work as well as the rest but I genuinely thought even with these imposed flaws (like The Exorcist 3) it was still a rather good film and for the reasons I explained earlier T2 is more of an annoyance to me than even T3.

It also explains the brain scan things they were loading Reese into.

So in a sense the interweb nutjobs describing T4 as the worst thing in the universe are largely responsible for the film not being as good as it could have been.

Oh for an edit.

Of course Conner should have realised that Reese could never be in peril because without the accidental discovery of the original Terminator chip even this slightly delayed Skynet might never exist. If Skynet was safe and it knows Reese will be Conner's father the trick would be to not invent the time machine thus removing him from the timeline, no Conner no defeat (unless this means no Skynet in which case Reese is the safest man on the planet).

It was (possibly accidentally) interesting that Skynet was aware of the changes in it's own time line.

I wonder if all the Terminators from the previous films came from different futures sharing a common past.

As for Arnie (or faux Arnie and it was scary how well he was blended in) in T3 there was the story about an Arniemator being successfully sent to kill John Conner playing on his childhood bond with that model and it was that model that was sent back in time to save him in the previous sequel.

John now knows about this so it's unlikely to have actually happened but when I saw that Terminator I though that it would play out a bit like that only slightly adjusted.

In the end it was a fan service but a technically interesting one, imagine what they may be able to do in a few more years time, replace Ewan with a young Alec Guinness (or the other way around going by George's track record) at the very least stick Peter Cushing into ROTS.

 

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The Mummy 3  (Thank you, Rachel Weisz, for walking away!)

The star Wars "prequels".

Men in Black II

Ocean's 12

Any animated disney sequel (they do manage to pull of some good live action ones)

 

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Oh Christ, I forgot about Men in Black II.  Talk about remake-disguised-as-a-sequel.

And Ocean's 12 I wouldn't consider a "worst ever" - but it's certainly not good.  I was pleasantly surprised by Ocean's 13, though.

Now I'm off to play the Ghost Busters game, aka the "real" Ghost Busters III.  Hope it's good (*fingers crossed*)!

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Shia LaBeouf told BBC News that a new Indiana Jones movie is in the works and that director Steven Spielberg has come up with a story.

"Steven just said that he cracked the story on it before I left, and I think they're gearing that up," LaBeouf said. No word on whether LaBeouf will actually appear in it or reprise the role of "Mutt" Williams from the last film, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

 

OKAY, START YOUR BITCHING. :P

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Meh.  I'm sure it will be on the same level of mediocrity as Temple of Doom, The Last Crusade and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.  I don't know if I'd spend money to see it in theaters, but I'd watch it eventually.

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HotRod said:
Mielr said:

Grease 2

 

Blasphemy!!!

 

What's more rewarding than a young Michelle Phieffer straddling a motorcycle singing "cool rider..coo-ool rider"

 

Stuff of young boys dreams that!!

 

 

 

 

HELL, YEAH !!!

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T4 suffers from several problems:

Am I the only one that was jarred by all the bad cuts and edits?  It's like McG fan-edited his own movie!  Scenes just stopped, plot and character development was obviously missing, it was really bad to me.  Its just so frustrating because I could see a pretty good movie in there, but it just got cut to pieces!

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The choppyness only really kicks in during the final act (and that's pretty much explained by the production background story).

It may be that some of the Kyle /Marcus material that was scripted was also filmed and might turn up in some extended version but that wasn't edited in a detectable choppy way (at least going by my one viewing of it) the really problem is that final reel.

We now don't know why Skynet has a human styled control centre or why they are kidnapping people and loading them into brain scanners, which is something that could have been scripted around without having the Project Angel stuff. It could be explained as Skynet wanting to make more units like Marcus, heaven's knows he would be able to sneek into human camps better than someone like Arnie, a Terminator shaped after the old lady or the mute girl would be even less noticable.

Hopefully an extended cut and/or deleted material will make it onto a future DVD release and we can get an spoilt star/internet fanboy panic free version that takes it beyond being the good movie it is into the really good movie it should have been.

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Bingo Wings, great to find someone else who things Star Trek is way over rated and that T4 is taking an undue beating. I really liked Terminator Salvation. Even more so the second time I saw it than the first. I also really liked the idea of the original ending, and find the current ending incredibly weak.

I think there is a brilliant fan edit in this (good bye Bale!), I just really hope the originally intended ending is on the DVD. That ending would be a vast improvement.

I also didn't like Arnold cameo. It was kind of cool from a nostalgia perspective, but it just didn't quite look right. Looked like a video game character, obviously CG. I can imagine in a few years time he will look really dated and stick out like a sore thumb. I think they were going for dramatic affect in John running into the Terminator from his childhood.

I personally think the T-800 should have been left out, since Kyle describes them as a new model in the first film. If they had been around since the time he was a teenager, they aren't really that new (changing timelines explains this easily enough though, so not that big of a deal).

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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In My Own opinion the original scripted ended was just plain retarded.

Any Terminator movie that made John Connor a terminator just plain ruins the fist 2 by James Cameron and was just written probably as a what the fuck kind of ending.

That ending to me is incredibly lame.  About as lame as Dorothy waking up in a bed in Kansas from a bumped head and finds out that her uncles were really the sidekicks in her mind's adventure and it was only a dream.

To me that Wizard of OZ ending it one of the worst ever.  Especially since Baum took incredile pains in creating a secondary universe.

Instead of a what the fuck ending that works incredibly well like making Vader Luke's father in the empire strikes back.

I have a question regarding the casting when was kyle reese supposed to be Russian?  I don't want to come off as incredibly racist but is not the actor in real life russian or at least has a Russian name.  So perfect for Checkov not so perfect for Michael Biehn who as far as i know was not Russian.

I actually like the finished terminator salvation versus the original script.  But it is a piece of shit when compared against the first two films. It is almost like the star wars prequels in that way.

The critics who loved T1,T2, Or t3 hated this film.  Even those who apparently liked sarah connor chronicles.

I love T2 that was the best terminator film and was a perfect movie to watch on the big screen.  The future war sequence though short made me a fan of the film almost instantly.  As a kid i never really liked the first film but T2 made me a huge fan of the series.  Which brought me back into appreciation of the first film.

Kind of like how i was first introduced to the Alien series through the film Aliens and i have always thought the second film superior, though i now like the first a huge amount too because i have become a huge fan of Ridley Scott as well.

You cannot please everybody on all counts though.  I loved Casino Royale and hated quantum of solace, loved batman begins and hated the dark knight.

Though those 2 sequels were made up and not based on an existing story.  The bond people made up the sequel which has almost nothing to do with the fleming novel.  And Nolan made up the dark knight, whereas the first film was a clever filmed version of Batman Year one by Frank Miller.

I also hate films that get up on a liberal soap box and play politics when i want to be entertained. It takes me out of the movie.  Some films are based on things intended to be that way like watchman, and i would not alter them to fit my own views. 

But things like batman or star wars or indiana jones having out of place politics bullshit makes me incredibly irate.  I would not want right wing propaganda in films any more than liberal bullshit.

 

You know what i am happy that george bush is out of the white house so movies can go back to just being movies again.  For a while there every film made was an anti christian anti republican diatribe.  I want to be entertained, not preached to in the cinema. Perhaps some of these writers and directors are in the wrong business and should be politicians. Though the idea of Steven Spielberg or George Lucas as polticians is simply terrorfying.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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THIS JUST IN:

 

 

Shia LaBeouf told BBC News that a new Indiana Jones movie is in the works and that director Steven Spielberg has come up with a story.

"Steven just said that he cracked the story on it before I left, and I think they're gearing that up," LaBeouf said. No word on whether LaBeouf will actually appear in it or reprise the role of "Mutt" Williams from the last film, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

 

 

OKAY, START YOUR BITCHING. :P

man, i can't wait.  Jar Jar and Indy team up to fight the 3D Jaws.  Count me in.

 

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Alot of people defend ROTJ and the Star Wars prequels out of sense of devotion to the brand name, just as a large number of detractors of those films attack them out of a sense of devotion to the brand as defined by the first two installments. Some people just attack the prequels as they see ROTJ as part of the brand but the prequels as not.

These are sectarian arguments, flag following for the sake of it.

It's like someone backing a church or a nation state just because of it's name and history rather than by what it actually does or how it functions in the here and now.

One of the potential hazards of continuing a story beyond it's initial state is any new additions colour or flavour the audience reaction to the original product.

Star Wars as a collected text is dragged down in the view of the general viewing audience by the failings (percieved or arguably observable) of one or more of it's component parts.

There is always an element of subjectivity here too (what works for one viewer may not work for someone else, one viewer may have different levels of expectation from a work than an another which would influence their reaction to each installment and to the greater canon).

Personally I find it more useful to take each installment seperatly and then later weigh it against what sit beside it.

The Terminator was a well made B-Movie inspired by (or shameless derivative of) a number of stories, mostly by Harlan Ellison (but he borrowed many of the themes from elsewhere too). It had a self contained and generally bleak (with a few rays of lightness) atmosphere and a brisk, tight narrative style.

Terminator 2 was a slicker looking comic book style B-Movie which took the bitter sweet, self contained narrative of the original away and replaced it with a can do, proactive survivalist mantra. It was compromised by the previous film's association with an actor who's rising fame and desire to play comic/heroic figures took the film into Roger Moore Bond territory. The director too wanted to be taken more seriously and the long monologues and heavy handed message laden narrative swerves only served to detract from the fun it still wanted to maintain from the B-Movie roots of the original film. Where the first film pulled everything in one direction this film tried to pull in all directions at once. The conclusion of the film (with the origins of Skynet destroyed but John Conner still alive) could only be reconciled by alternate timeline definition of time travel (countering the predestination model of the first film). So what were they really fighting for? If somewhere Skynet still exists to be fought and to send back the Terminator and Kyle Reese in the first film all the people who died in the second one, including the hero Terminator died in vain. The ending was clearly there to allow for further sequels as logically Sarah Conner would return to being any woman USA and her son would not come into being if they really could change the future (even the dropped alternate ending keeps old Sarah is aware of the events that have happened to her so somewhere those events have happened because of a seperate but related set of events she cannot prevent). So for me it didn't work either as a sequel or as a film in it's own right, it has some interesting moments and elements but they don't successfully come together well.

At least Terminator 3 (for all it many faults, which have been largely corrected in fan edits) returned the series back to it's fatalism and bitter sweet bleakness. It even acknowledged the flaw in the ending of the previous film, no computer company keeps all it project details in one location and all that Sarah Conner and Co managed to do was delay and slightly alter the timing of Judgment Day from their perspective. It's no classic but it's certainly not a chained down by star or director ambitions (Arnie actually does some real acting in the third film, he looks almost the same but is playing a very different machine). The theatrical cut was compromised by some strange humourous interludes but with those removed it's a much better sequel but not much of a film in it's own right.

The fourth one is compromised by a star (but not as much as Terminator 2 was) and a director who wants to make a name for himself rather than change the perception people already have of him as was the case with Cameron. Once again the studio allowed the story to be interfered with in an attempt to anticipate and avoid an audience reaction which it doing so actually caused (the story of the film and the making of the film have overlapped). The fear that without the linking star name and a bigger role for the new star name the series would fold created a distorted ending which spoils an otherwise solid film. It's like a shaggy dog story joke without the necessary punchline. But as a shaggy dog story it has more going for it and pulls in less directions (until the dreaded final act) than the second one does.

I'm actually beginning to wish they had put the Project Angel storyline in.

It would at least add something new to the series.

The Terminator in the second film observes that we are programmed for self destruction.

The idea that Skynet might try to re-engineer humanity to give it what it seems to want (freedom from death, pain and responsibilty and guided by all knowing, all seeing God like entity) and that the hero of the resistance against this New World Order is a machine with a human soul is bold new direction for the series to take. Sure people would be angered just by the idea itself (no matter how well it was executed) but people seem to be miffed by the film as it currently stands anyway. For a film which set out to be about the truth behind myth finding out that there was more behind Conner and Skynet than we were lead to believe would have made the film interestingly different but remain true to the source.

Sequels only really succeed when they go against expectations and forget about exterior pressures (which will always be there if the film is good or bad).

Godfather II and ESB are successful sequels because they give more than what than just a re-run of what went before but stay true to what went before.

As for The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz Baum's ending is actually very clever because it sets up Oz as a related but separate realm, the characters exist both in Oz as he scarecrow, Lion etc but they have their counterparts in this realm. Dorothy sees it as just a dream because it makes sense to her that way and because the adults back up her interpretation of what happened. As born out in the sequel where the realm exists without Dorothy having to be there.

Baum practically invented the idea of parallel universes in science fiction by doing that.

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Do video game sequels count? If so I'll be making a list later. Do the code bracket thingies work on this site so I don't stretch post?

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Any thing rob zombie has directed or remade

Without a paddle 2. (the first one was a good lighthearted mel brooks esque parody of deliverance but did we really need a sequel which was exactly the same movie but with new people)

Terminator 3 I love the terminators before (havent seen the new one) but the 3rd was meh. Just a reason to put Arnie in another action movie. The sheminator was pretty hot though.

Matrix 2 and 3. As Randy would say "Im not feelin it dawg" I could be nice but why werent they like the first one. The vibe was different and everything

Transporter 2 and 3. Good lord do we really need more Jason Stathem movies. He plays the same character in every movie he really has no skill in movies. He belongs on a list with vin diesel though i did like the riddick movies.

American Pie Naked/Bandcamp UUUUUGh. I admit I loved the original 3 movies. I was a teenager and I just enjoyed them. But movies about stiflers brother who is just a reason to reprise sean william scotts role without getting sean william scott.

Underworld 3 I liked the first one as well as any vampire movie and the second went down ok. But the third one was a useless film. Just did not work

The Mummy 3 I am gonna be bashed for liking the first 2 but NO NO NO. What were they thinking. NO. they made the already cheesy characters, cheese nip cheesy. I was getting flooded in the theatre with cheese wiz. The chick who replaced Eve was to self centered. She was like a british Peggy Hill. It doesn't work. Of course the other 2 werent special but they were better than this one.

Austin Powers Goldmember Ok Mike Myers we know you love making sequels (hence shreks constant continuations) But why did you make the same movie as Austin Powers 2? Why? It was basically same shit different day. I laughed but I laugh at the other movies still. I cant say it was bad it just wasn't a knew flavor.

007 Dalton and Daniel Craig Years I loved Connery, Moore, and Brosnan as bond but these 2 guys just NO. The Daniel Craig Bond was edgier but he wasn't Bond. But really haven't their been enough bond movies.

Batman Forever and Batman And Robin George and Val could have been good batmen. But really they were NOT.

Charlie And The Chocolate Factory Johnny Depp fans are going to hate me BUT. Why him. He doesn't work for that role. I have so many things against that movie that I am gonna chop it up abit. The Oompa Loompa's were annoying I found myself fast fowarding their songs and even turning my head as to not see them bobbing their heads, One little person played the Oompa Loompas ONE. What Tim Burton you could not get enough lil people. George Lucas could way back in the day. Their songs were annoying to know end. I missed the Gene Wylder Willy Wonka. Was that not good enough. I know Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was more like the book but I didn't upchuck when I saw the original. Danny Elfman's music approach was very uuggh. I expect more from somebody as good as him. I would hate it just as much if it was the only version. The original just needed to be restored better that is it. The oompa loompas were badass and Gene was likeable Johnny was unless your a 12 year old girl an annoying jerk.  I love my johnny depp movies and some of tim burtons movies but for once can we get some colour in this mufugga. My freinds always say "you dont like Tim Burton because you cant think out side of the box." HAHAAHA what box. Tim Burton stays in one single box his movies all look and feel the same. It works for some but I follow directors closely and good ones do something different each time they walk around the block.

 

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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EyeShotFirst said:

Terminator 3

The Mummy 3

Austin Powers Goldmember

007 Dalton and Daniel Craig Years

Charlie And The Chocolate Factory

 

For some reason I often feel the need to express how very much I dislike Terminator 3. Yeah, I really, really don't like that movie.

I liked the first two Mummys well enough myself. They were pretty shitty, but enjoyable enough for a cheesy summer flick (if it hadn't been for Rachel Weisz, I actually probably wouldn't have liked them). I suppose the fact that the last time I saw either of them was during their theatrical runs says a whole lot about how much I actually liked them... but anyway, all this to say I would gladly defend you from any shit giving that comes your way for liking them. And yeah, the third struck me as an incredible bad idea. Especially without Rachel Weisz.

I am not that big of a fan of over the top mindless comedies, but I seem to remember finding the original Austin Powers amusing (again, I think the last time I saw it was during its theatrical run). Saw the second one and hated it, same old jokes, more ridiculous than before, thought it was crap. Never even dreamed about considering the possiblility of bothering with the third one.

I also agree with you regarding Dalton and Craig. Though most guys seem to hate Roger Moore's Bond flick, I find The Man with the Golden Gun and Live and Let Die to be by far my two favorite Bond films. I liked Casino Royale, due to its loyalty to the source materially, but I didn't particularly like Craig in the role of Bond. I am also not the biggest Brosnan fan. Where I do disagree with you slightly is regarding Dalton, I rather liked Dalton in The Living Daylights, though I hated him in A License to Kill.

I always liked Roald Dahl's books as a kid. And I always really liked the film, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. I kind of liked the idea of a remake that more closely followed the book, which is what the Johnny Deep film promised to be. Ultimately, I felt Johnny Deep was absolutely awful in the role, and the same annoying guy playing every single Oopa Loompa and the fact that the Oopa Loompas were so obnoxious really made this movie entirely worthless. The original film did a great job with the Oopa Loompas, they were weird and charming. In the new film, they were a bit embarassing to watch. The whole think left a horribly taste in my mouth.

 

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C3PX said:
EyeShotFirst said:

Terminator 3

The Mummy 3

Austin Powers Goldmember

007 Dalton and Daniel Craig Years

Charlie And The Chocolate Factory

 

For some reason I often feel the need to express how very much I dislike Terminator 3. Yeah, I really, really don't like that movie.

I liked the first two Mummys well enough myself. They were pretty shitty, but enjoyable enough for a cheesy summer flick (if it hadn't been for Rachel Weisz, I actually probably wouldn't have liked them). I suppose the fact that the last time I saw either of them was during their theatrical runs says a whole lot about how much I actually liked them... but anyway, all this to say I would gladly defend you from any shit giving that comes your way for liking them. And yeah, the third struck me as an incredible bad idea. Especially without Rachel Weisz.

I am not that big of a fan of over the top mindless comedies, but I seem to remember finding the original Austin Powers amusing (again, I think the last time I saw it was during its theatrical run). Saw the second one and hated it, same old jokes, more ridiculous than before, thought it was crap. Never even dreamed about considering the possiblility of bothering with the third one.

I also agree with you regarding Dalton and Craig. Though most guys seem to hate Roger Moore's Bond flick, I find The Man with the Golden Gun and Live and Let Die to be by far my two favorite Bond films. I liked Casino Royale, due to its loyalty to the source materially, but I didn't particularly like Craig in the role of Bond. I am also not the biggest Brosnan fan. Where I do disagree with you slightly is regarding Dalton, I rather liked Dalton in The Living Daylights, though I hated him in A License to Kill.

I always liked Roald Dahl's books as a kid. And I always really liked the film, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. I kind of liked the idea of a remake that more closely followed the book, which is what the Johnny Deep film promised to be. Ultimately, I felt Johnny Deep was absolutely awful in the role, and the same annoying guy playing every single Oopa Loompa and the fact that the Oopa Loompas were so obnoxious really made this movie entirely worthless. The original film did a great job with the Oopa Loompas, they were weird and charming. In the new film, they were a bit embarassing to watch. The whole think left a horribly taste in my mouth.

 

"Tim Burton stays in one single box his movies all look and feel the same."

Quoted for truth.

I thought I would get e-shanked for my list. I agree with everything you stated. And yes you were wise to not bother with austin powers 3. I think hollywood is getting worse all of the time. I cannot blame film makers because they are given no say to their original intentions of their films. A film maker really is just a guy who has an idea and then hollywood takes over and in the end they become the person who makes sure the job gets done. Have you seen any movie recently that didn't have explosions and car chases? Every movie I have seen is some nobody the government forces into doing their dirty work. I get so sick of that kind of movie. American cinema and television has really gone down the crapper. They honestly think that all we want to see is big loud explosions and car chases which most people do. Television is pure reality shows. Who gives a crap about who flava flav is banging. I get so pissed at television and cinemas I want to just yank out the cable on my TV and just watch movies I actually like. They are already destroying the internet. What next? Why do I pay 100 bucks a month for cable when I get 5 minutes of comercials between what I am watching? So I am paying for advertisements? Sorry for venting on these topics but when I start talking film and television I get rabid. I've been known to foam at the mouth talking about these things. It does make me feel better to vent.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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I was forced by a great friend of mine to sit through all the Austin Powers films.

I've never found Mike Myers funny but I found them all awful movies as revenge I made him sit through the spoof Casino Royale and What's New Pussycat? and he later agreed that they did everything those films set out to do but a million times better.

I could have dug out the Doctor Goldfoot films too but the point was made.

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EyeShotFirst said:

I thought I would get e-shanked for my list.

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Have you seen any movie recently that didn't have explosions and car chases? Every movie I have seen is some nobody the government forces into doing their dirty work. I get so sick of that kind of movie. American cinema and television has really gone down the crapper. They honestly think that all we want to see is big loud explosions and car chases which most people do. Television is pure reality shows. Who gives a crap about who flava flav is banging. I get so pissed at television and cinemas I want to just yank out the cable on my TV and just watch movies I actually like. They are already destroying the internet. What next?

 

We really are not into "e-shanking" people here at OT.com, or any other forms of e-violence really.

To answer the, "Have you seen any movie recently that didn't have explosions and car chases?" question, as a matter of fact, I have. I particularly liked the two Clint Eastwood directed films we were treated to during the course of last year, Gran Torino and The Changling. Whether you liked them or not, they are most certainly two well written, directed, and acted films. Perhaps a bit sentimental and sappy, but since seeing Eastwood's A Perfect World, I've found that I enjoy Eastwood's brand of sappy.

I suppose it is easy to check the movie listings on most days and though your hands up in despair because there is nothing worth going to see. Hollywood continually turds them out, and like flies, we are all over them each and ever time. With "record breaking box officer numbers" having reached the point of being the norm, I guess you'd have a pretty hard time blaming Hollywood for pumping them out as quickly as they can.

I think the problem is more the demograph that guys like you and I belong to. The fact that we are having this discussion on a Star Wars forum says quite a lot about the kind of movies you and I are into. The summer blockbuster type movies are aimed at guys like you and I, and from the sounds of it, neither of us have been very impressed in recent years. But to be perfectly honest, I don't really remember a time when I was impressed. Summer blockbusters are typically high budget throw-aways. I think it has always kind of been this way. You win some and you lose some. Remember how every one was talking about Independance Day when it first came out? Or how they couldn't shut up about Armageddon? That is how it has always been, only now, we are all plugged in with the internet and have the ability to continually complain about it, when in the past we'd forget about the dogs and continue with our lives.

While there are a lot of turd being dropped, and enjoyable film makes its way into our lives from time to time. In recent history I will name just a few movies I really liked, and that I felt were pretty high quality. We had the Lord of the Rings trilogy, which I thought was incredibly well done. The first two Spider-Man films which I also thought were great. Serenity, 300, The first X-Men film, Watchmen, Batman Begins, Casino Royale. And all those are just in one particular genre, and only off the top of my head. If we search outside films targeted at an audience of teens to thirty some year olds, you'll find plenty more that are pretty decent films, and are likely to be remembered way beyond their time.

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