It's not a matter of realism so much, I just don't think it needs fixing.
I thought he delivered the line like some bloke who had never seen a film in his life, was asleep ten seconds before, was rudely awoken by a big lass in a pink gorilla costume, pushed into the cockpit and made to read the line pinned to the dashboard.
If you look again you can almost see Ms Kong waving a threatening banana at him.
he was awfully calm
I know ROTJ:R is still a long way off, but I had a dream last night that inspired an interesting idea for the end with Anakin's Jedi Spirit appears next to Obi-wan and Yoda. The idea is to keep Sebastian Shaw, but somehow make his hair seem less grey with a bit of coloring that almost matches Hayden's.
ROTJ:R concept of Sebastian Shaw with younger Anakin hair coloring
image from GOUT ROTJ
The logic of this is that Obi-Wan and Anakin are supposed to be about 15 years apart in age.
They're closer to 10 years apart. I don't see any edit of TPM changing that.
According to Wookieepedia, Obi-Wan was about 25 in TPM. And Anakin was about 10, so they would be 15 years apart in age.
Perhaps someone should do the reverse of the Hayden insert at put Seb Shaw's ghost into Hayden's costume.
We never saw him wearing those clothes in life so it seems a bit odd that he should have a wardrobe change in the afterlife.
...am I seriously the only person here who didn't object to Hayden in ROTJ? Admittedly the execution could have been better — I agree with BW that it would have been better if he'd been in his ROTS costume — but I liked the principle. If people simply think Mr. Shaw was short-changed, well... he kept all his lines and 99% of his screen time, and we don't see (many) people complaining about Ady leaving Clive Revill on the cutting room floor.
I don't have any real issue with it Hayden being in at the end there, but I do have a hell of a problem with the creepy-ass look on his face.
Yeah, that's what I meant by the execution. That and the obvious copy-and-paste of his head on Shaw's body.
The difference between Hayden/Shaw swap and the Revill/McDiamid swap is that Shaw represents the father that Luke can relate to (the late middle aged man he saw under Vader's mask but restored to a human being) the creepy little child murdering wife abusing scumbag Manikin Skywalker is someone Luke has never seen and could never relate to, especially with that creepy smirk on his face.
The OUT ESB Palpatine looks and sounds nothing like the Palpatine in any of the other films (the DVD one doesn't look right either) so I fully support people like Ady removing the Revill Palpatine but making him more like the one in ROTJ than a Halloween cake that caught fire and was put out with a spade.
Bingowings said:Perhaps someone should do the reverse of the Hayden insert at put Seb Shaw's ghost into Hayden's costume.
We never saw him wearing those clothes in life so it seems a bit odd that he should have a wardrobe change in the afterlife.
I think that the garbs that the Anakin and Obi-Wan spirits wear are more like those white robes and halos that angels are depicted wearing. After all, when Obi-Wan died -- or rather released his attachement from his body and vanished -- his cloak didn't disappear with him. Yet, when he reappears in Empire and Jedi, he's wearing his Jedi robe.
Bingowings said:Perhaps someone should do the reverse of the Hayden insert at put Seb Shaw's ghost into Hayden's costume.
That's actually a pretty cool idea. One of my favorites so far.
It's right up there with Anakin losing his eyebrows as a very subtle but effective way to visually tie the two actors.
I think the reason GL put hayden in, was because he only wanted to experiment with it.
rcb said:I think the reason GL put hayden in, was because he only wanted to experiment with it.
If he just wanted to experiment couldn't he have done it somewhere private (like a broken down toilet in a disused railway depot in Brazil) instead of in the as yet only official SE DVD release set?
Even as an experiment it's like something out of a really bad explotation movie (unrealistic head transplant).
I prefer the one in Mars Attacks!
dude, that was freakin' creepy
aside from that, i'm guessing GL wanted to see the crowds reaction. well, we'll see if he keeps it the same for the blue ray release
Bingowings said:Perhaps someone should do the reverse of the Hayden insert at put Seb Shaw's ghost into Hayden's costume.
This idea makes soo much more sense than putting Haydens head in there.
I think it would be simple and sufficient to just replace the light yellowish tunic with a still image of one of Anakin's tunics from the Ep2 or Ep3. The inner tunic/turtleneck and outer robe don't need any alteration.
Bingowings said:If he just wanted to experiment couldn't he have done it somewhere private (like a broken down toilet in a disused railway depot in Brazil) instead of in the as yet only official SE DVD release set?
I couldn't agree more!
Darth Lars said:Bingowings said:Perhaps someone should do the reverse of the Hayden insert at put Seb Shaw's ghost into Hayden's costume.
This idea makes soo much more sense than putting Haydens head in there.
Ah, but I can't help thinking of 'fat guy in a little coat! Fat guy in a little coat!' Haha. ;)
Ripplin said:Darth Lars said:Bingowings said:Perhaps someone should do the reverse of the Hayden insert at put Seb Shaw's ghost into Hayden's costume.
This idea makes soo much more sense than putting Haydens head in there.
Ah, but I can't help thinking of 'fat guy in a little coat! Fat guy in a little coat!' Haha. ;)
Imagine the coat a little bigger, being a ghost means never having to breath in or pop a seem.
Bingowings said:Perhaps someone should do the reverse of the Hayden insert at put Seb Shaw's ghost into Hayden's costume.
I still gotta go with ignoring the prequels and returning Mr. Shaw to how they filmed it in 1983.
TheBoost said:Bingowings said:Perhaps someone should do the reverse of the Hayden insert at put Seb Shaw's ghost into Hayden's costume.
That's actually a pretty cool idea. One of my favorites so far.
It's right up there with Anakin losing his eyebrows as a very subtle but effective way to visually tie the two actors.
Or put Hayden in Hayden's costume......just being devil's advocate. Am I correct that there will be no purist edition this time around?
Ignoring the prequels is all very well in an edit such as ChainsawAsh's Trilogy, but in something like Revisited it's less appropriate, as after Ady finishes ROTJ:R he will be making TPM:R. He already made several overt references to the prequels in ANH:R, down to a reprise of Battle of the Heroes (I know this wasn't in the Purist version but the DVD-9 is the "canonical" version — his "definitive vision", har har).
Ripplin said:I think we'd love to see your go at it, too, even if it's just a still shot. I think it might look a bit better with an effect sort of like when the Enterprise goes to warp on ST:TNG; that flash of light that indicates it's powering up a lot. Something like that.
From Prequel radical changes hotpic.
I was wondering if some lasers were visible from star destroyer. So more than one color in one scene.
-Angel
vaderios said:Ripplin said:I think we'd love to see your go at it, too, even if it's just a still shot. I think it might look a bit better with an effect sort of like when the Enterprise goes to warp on ST:TNG; that flash of light that indicates it's powering up a lot. Something like that.
From Prequel radical changes hotpic.
I was wondering if some lasers were visible from star destroyer. So more than one color in one scene.
-Angel
the engines look like something u pulled out of star trek's warp drive
Yes, and just to clarify, I said nothing about added color. Haha. ;) It's neat, but...yeah, very Star Trek V or something.