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brash_stryker said:

Excellent work SSWR! Really like what this does to Mace's character. Makes him into an arrogant, untrusting S.O.B, which would explain why he goes to confront Palpatine WITHOUT EVEN TELLING ANY OTHER JEDI!

Yeah this is something I had thought of as well...Windu going into Palps office alone will go well with this type of character...It also makes it kind of tragic because Windu will have been the ONLY one who was right about Anakin! :D

Thanks for all the great feedback guys! Hmm...I wonder if Ady will consider this idea...  ;)

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I don't care whether he's that bad ass, only that the changes to his character help make Anakin seem more like a victim than a brat.

Him taking on Palpatine alone makes sense, and means we don't see the ridiculous deaths of hardened Jedi because they just stand there doing nothing. Or the fact that 4 Jedi went to subdue him but they never thought to contact the other Jedi to tell them about the impending arrest.

This change also brings to mind the quote "your overconfidence is your weakness".

 

Ady, if you're watching this thread, have you given any thought to amalgamating Jango and Boba into Boba Fett and losing the kid? This has been mentioned not long ago in this thread. Also if I had my way, you'd never see Boba (Jango) without his helmet. It removes all the mystery of the character. Recolouring the armour would also be on my wish list, but would probably be a huge undertaking.

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^ I always see the death of these jedi a metaphor that the dark side is unstoppable this time. All things came smoothly that Anapimp sees Weedu to try to assassinate the chancellor.

I prefer to think that Lucas used a slowmotion without slow motion! Which is a good thing considering that Palps was supersonic.


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brash_stryker said:

I don't care whether he's that bad ass, only that the changes to his character help make Anakin seem more like a victim than a brat.

Him taking on Palpatine alone makes sense, and means we don't see the ridiculous deaths of hardened Jedi because they just stand there doing nothing. Or the fact that 4 Jedi went to subdue him but they never thought to contact the other Jedi to tell them about the impending arrest.

This change also brings to mind the quote "your overconfidence is your weakness".

Oh I agree...I actually hate that he IS a "bad ass"...and what does that really mean anyway?

Yes making Anakin a victim is a must...We need to feel *something* for Anakin in the PT, right?  :P

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What a crazy idea... Could general grievous be like Robo caine from Robocop two?

4 hands, slight human remains, claws in feet, and damn retro look!

LOL:

 

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vaderios said:

What a crazy idea... Could general grievous be like Robo caine from Robocop two?

4 hands, slight human remains, claws in feet, and damn retro look!

LOL:

 

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A reflective metal Grievous could be great.

 

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So something just occurred to me:

Unless Adywan can find an FX free Windu line, "In the name of the galactic senate of the rebublic, you're under arrest, Chancellor." then he will *have* to redub Mace Windu-...well, or *cut* the line altogether. Yeah, when Mace says this particular line all three of the other lightsabers light up in the center channel.

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Mace Windu is already a train wreck of a character - I'd welcome any change. Having him confront Palps alone is certainly an interesting idea and might actually add a little dimension to his character.

 

 

 

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I would like to make the audience think that mace is the one going behind their backs besides count dooku in attack of the clones. Just make him mysterious add some depth to this barren wasteland of a story.

Just simple dark motifs and fade outs from scenes he is in would work perfectly. He will be more likeable atleast to the badass fans

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love the clip posted SSWR, the snape idea is great!

 

on the subject of palpatine turning into a grey scrotum immediately enstead of the slow deterioration, if this cant be fixed, then perhaps all his facial appearances when he is the hooded mysterious sidious, could have a wrinkly face quite obviously? so the lightening is removing his mask as oppose to changing his face?

 

it may be interesting too perhaps if we have hints that the dark lord could infact be somebody else, like snape/windu for example.

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Hello folks,

Does anyone have any pictures of the throne of Naboo without anyone sitting on it?

There are a few moments in TPM but they are either motion blur city or blocked by too many actors to remove.

All angles are welcome but I would prefer them to be reasonably in focus.

Did the prop ever do the rounds in any of the exhibitions?

I'm trying to recreate the scene where communication between Coruscant and Naboo are cut off but where Padme and Panaka are on Coruscant and shown as holograms (which get cut off instead of or as well as Palpatine's) so I need to reconstruct the back of the chair to create the effect.

So far this is all I can do :

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Rewatching the Phantom Menace, something occurred to me about Jar Jar: Why the hell does he go with Qui Gon and Padme to search for the space parts on Tatooine? He has no purpose whatsoever in that part of the film. The scorching heat is even bad for his skin so it seems like a bad idea. But I'm sure most fan edit ideas come up with a reason for this.


And when Padme and Anakin first meet in Watto's shop, Jar Jar is just knocking stuff over. Seems like a missed opportunity for Anakin to ask Padme "who is this guy?" (He has no reason to know who this creature is.)  And then Padme could have replied "I don't know, the Jedi brought him along." Maybe they could have had a more spontaneous and lively dialog. And having Jar Jar knock over stuff should concern Anakin. It might be his responsability to clean it up.

I don't know how that could be done. It's just been on my mind as something that would have made a lot more sense for the characters to say.

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Qui-Gon is undercover and Anakin gives no indication of knowing or suspecting he is a Jedi at that moment in time.

To him he's just an off-worlder in search of a ship part and he would, I suppose assume that Jar-Jar is the same or maybe even his slave until Padme expresses how quaint the idea of slavery it to her.

Besides Anakin seems to have a one track mind (even at that age) he's only interested in Padme the angelic and barely notices Jar-Jar until he starts to wreck the shop.

He'd proberbly be more interested in R2 (I would be when I was his age).

I suppose George thought that Jar-Jar had to be in those scenes because if he wasn't Jar-Jar wouldn't be in those scenes (if you catch my drift).

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Nice mockup Bingowings. What is the story behind it? Is this part of your suggestion of making the movie start with Amidala already on Coruscant and making the movie about her return to Naboo to help her people? Now that's a radical idea!

I tried to do a mockup myself of the scene I mentioned earlier. I tried to put Mace and Obi-Wan in the Jedi Temple hangar from the AOTC deleted scene into a background of the hangar we see in ROTS. I wanted to salvage the scene, because I like it better than the one replacing in the final movie. It didn't work though. The angles are all off, and it's almost impossible to get a clean plate of the background.

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SilverKey said:

Nice mockup Bingowings. What is the story behind it? Is this part of your suggestion of making the movie start with Amidala already on Coruscant and making the movie about her return to Naboo to help her people? Now that's a radical idea!

I tried to do a mockup myself of the scene I mentioned earlier. I tried to put Mace and Obi-Wan in the Jedi Temple hangar from the AOTC deleted scene into a background of the hangar we see in ROTS. I wanted to salvage the scene, because I like it better than the one replacing in the final movie. It didn't work though. The angles are all off, and it's almost impossible to get a clean plate of the background.

Basically yeah, here's a previously cobbled together selection of ideas on the same theme but I have posted a few more since.

I'm getting to grips with some new soft and hardware at the moment but I hope to start doing some video mockups of the idea soonish but if anyone likes any of these ideas feel free to run with them and suggest ways of adjusting or realising them.

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 My idea for the beginning would be from the scroll down to a full Naboo hanging in space the Trade Federation ships surround the planet (does anyone have any more back views of the Trade Federation ships btw?).

Naboo 1

Then we see an edited version of Sidious (fully concealed as in many edits) telling Nute Gunray he can land his troops and the landing ships and fighters descend.

The Federation invaded centuries before and were seen by the Gungans as gods but the Naboo fought them and ever since there has been tension (no tax disputes).

Federation Gods

The Sith have promised to help them regain power over the contested planet where an uneasy truce gives the Naboo and Gungan's joint sovereignty.

Fighting breaks out in Theed (some of the buildings are destroyed).

Then cut to Coruscant and Amidala's meeting with Palpatine (with the message from Sio Bibble edited in) and an altered Jedi Council meeting where Qui-Gon claims to sense the chosen one and he's discovery is linked to the Naboo crisis.

Then the Senate meeting which removes Valorium, then the Queen opts to go back to Naboo to end the crisis.

The Jedi are sent to protect her but they can not call for war against the Federation until the Blockade is confirmed to be unlawful.

Her ship is attacked on route and she has to land on Tatooine.

They meet up with Anakin, gain the parts they need, Anakin joins the Jedi hoping to liberate Tatooine at a later date (giving Anakin a noble intention for leaving his mother behind rather than just seeing the stars).

They break through the blockade and create a hasty alliance with the Gungans. The Gungan's attack the bulk of the droid army, The Jedi attempt to shut down the shields for Trade Federation command ship and encounter battle droids (which should rarely if ever speak and certainly should not be the comic relief goons as seen in the theatrical version...incidently they do sound good in German) and finally the Sith Lord they first encountered on Tatooine, the Naboo fighters clear the path for the Jedi and take on the full Federation fleet (not just one ship making it an more hopless fight) and the Queen and her troops storm the palace.

 I'd keep the Gungans but dub them so that Jar-Jar is now the Gungan ambassador and represents his people just as much as Amidala. He is a bit out of water but not the buffoon we see in the original cut.

 I'm going to play with the idea that instead of there being a single droid control ship the whole blockade is there (the Naboo have more fighters, squadrons added by changing the colours of the fighters to blue, red etc:

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but they are still greatly outnumbered because they have no capital ships or droid fighters)

 

I actually like the idea of R2 being blue because he's one of blue group's astrodroids (Naboo seems to be obsessed with aesthetics).

Nablue

Qui-Gon and Obi Wan have to get onto the fleet command ship to stop signal jamming so they can get a distress signal to the Republic to send for help (and they fight Maul there, also moving the droid battles on the ship from the beginning of the film to the end).

 That way the sabre battle is more associated with space battle and the Gungan battle is more associated with the throne room.

Anakin doesn't destroy the command ship he just destroys a ship single handed and deliberatly (not by accident).

Once Nute Gunray is captured he orders the ships away (to save his skin) and the Droids power down on his command not because one ship is destroyed (which seemed a stupid way to run a war in the first place).

 

 

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I had a similar idea for the start of the film. Lokks good so far.

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SilverKey said:

Nice mockup Bingowings. What is the story behind it? Is this part of your suggestion of making the movie start with Amidala already on Coruscant and making the movie about her return to Naboo to help her people? Now that's a radical idea!

I tried to do a mockup myself of the scene I mentioned earlier. I tried to put Mace and Obi-Wan in the Jedi Temple hangar from the AOTC deleted scene into a background of the hangar we see in ROTS. I wanted to salvage the scene, because I like it better than the one replacing in the final movie. It didn't work though. The angles are all off, and it's almost impossible to get a clean plate of the background.

Basically yeah, here's a previously cobbled together selection of ideas on the same theme but I have posted a few more since.

I'm getting to grips with some new soft and hardware at the moment but I hope to start doing some video mockups of the idea soonish but if anyone likes any of these ideas feel free to run with them and suggest ways of adjusting or realising them.

Bingowings said :

 My idea for the beginning would be from the scroll down to a full Naboo hanging in space the Trade Federation ships surround the planet (does anyone have any more back views of the Trade Federation ships btw?).

Naboo 1

Then we see an edited version of Sidious (fully concealed as in many edits) telling Nute Gunray he can land his troops and the landing ships and fighters descend.

The Federation invaded centuries before and were seen by the Gungans as gods but the Naboo fought them and ever since there has been tension (no tax disputes).

Federation Gods

The Sith have promised to help them regain power over the contested planet where an uneasy truce gives the Naboo and Gungan's joint sovereignty.

Fighting breaks out in Theed (some of the buildings are destroyed).

Then cut to Coruscant and Amidala's meeting with Palpatine (with the message from Sio Bibble edited in) and an altered Jedi Council meeting where Qui-Gon claims to sense the chosen one and he's discovery is linked to the Naboo crisis.

Then the Senate meeting which removes Valorium, then the Queen opts to go back to Naboo to end the crisis.

The Jedi are sent to protect her but they can not call for war against the Federation until the Blockade is confirmed to be unlawful.

Her ship is attacked on route and she has to land on Tatooine.

They meet up with Anakin, gain the parts they need, Anakin joins the Jedi hoping to liberate Tatooine at a later date (giving Anakin a noble intention for leaving his mother behind rather than just seeing the stars).

They break through the blockade and create a hasty alliance with the Gungans. The Gungan's attack the bulk of the droid army, The Jedi attempt to shut down the shields for Trade Federation command ship and encounter battle droids (which should rarely if ever speak and certainly should not be the comic relief goons as seen in the theatrical version...incidently they do sound good in German) and finally the Sith Lord they first encountered on Tatooine, the Naboo fighters clear the path for the Jedi and take on the full Federation fleet (not just one ship making it an more hopless fight) and the Queen and her troops storm the palace.

 I'd keep the Gungans but dub them so that Jar-Jar is now the Gungan ambassador and represents his people just as much as Amidala. He is a bit out of water but not the buffoon we see in the original cut.

 I'm going to play with the idea that instead of there being a single droid control ship the whole blockade is there (the Naboo have more fighters, squadrons added by changing the colours of the fighters to blue, red etc:

Red Group

but they are still greatly outnumbered because they have no capital ships or droid fighters)

 

I actually like the idea of R2 being blue because he's one of blue group's astrodroids (Naboo seems to be obsessed with aesthetics).

Nablue

Qui-Gon and Obi Wan have to get onto the fleet command ship to stop signal jamming so they can get a distress signal to the Republic to send for help (and they fight Maul there, also moving the droid battles on the ship from the beginning of the film to the end).

 That way the sabre battle is more associated with space battle and the Gungan battle is more associated with the throne room.

Anakin doesn't destroy the command ship he just destroys a ship single handed and deliberatly (not by accident).

Once Nute Gunray is captured he orders the ships away (to save his skin) and the Droids power down on his command not because one ship is destroyed (which seemed a stupid way to run a war in the first place).

 

 

 

 Bingo, I meant to comment on this earlier: I'm very interested in this radical edit...but I'm wondering how some of this will be accomplished...?

Specifically paragraphs like this:

"...altered Jedi Council meeting where Qui-Gon claims to sense the chosen one and he's discovery is linked to the Naboo crisis."

Short of redubbing Qui-Gon, how would you accomplish this scene? Thanks! :D

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If an edit of this kind were to be attempted there would be a lot of Qui-Gon dialogue removed which might be remixable to create the necessary (and only the necessary) exposition.

Oh to have a portable Liam Neeson at hand.

Lines like "I have encountered a vergence in the Force" could be (though I'm not underplaying how difficult the process might be or how awful the final results might sound) altered to say something like "There is something else behind all this, I sense a vergence in the Force"  when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan receive their assignment to protect the Queen.

That way they would be preemptively expecting to encounter this Chosen One on their mission before we find out that he is just a slave boy on a planet they didn't expect to be marooned on. It would actually make something of the somewhat bolted on Chosen One story thread.

A bit like in ESB where the great Jedi Master turns out to be a strange little green guy with big ears.

The discussion about Sith Lords (if it is necessary at all) could be moved to when they have the ship up and running and take place via holograph (like Obi-wan's warning about Geonosis in AOTC).

George created this universe with holographic telephony and precognition but in TPM he felt the need to shift characters across the galaxy to deliver plot points to each other in person. Even in Shakespeare some messages are delivered via messengers rather than having all the characters on stage at once. In most tellings of King Arthur and as far as I know every telling of story of Jesus Christ we know about the Chosen One before we meet him in the story but in TPM we have to find out about all this after we meet Anakin which is one of the reasons it just feels shoved in.

It would need someone or some people to go through the script and see what lines need to be shifted and if they can be re-mixed in a credible way.

The real drawback being that, despite bold claims there is, as yet no scoreless sound mix so John Williams lovely music (not to mention all the various sound effects) may be a real bugger to filter out (if it is indeed possible at all).

Even then joining one piece of dialogue to another and finding a way around lip-sync miss matches is another real task but if it was easy I have no doubt someone would have done this sort of thing already.

As always all suggestions along these lines are welcome.

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Bingowings said:

If an edit of this kind were to be attempted there would be a lot of Qui-Gon dialogue removed which might be remixable to create the necessary (and only the necessary) exposition.

Oh to have a portable Liam Neeson at hand.

Lines like "I have encountered a vergence in the Force" could be (though I'm not underplaying how difficult the process might be or how awful the final results might sound) altered to say something like "There is something else behind all this, I sense a vergence in the Force"  when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan receive their assignment to protect the Queen.

That way they would be preemptively expecting to encounter this Chosen One on their mission before we find out that he is just a slave boy on a planet they didn't expect to be marooned on. It would actually make something of the somewhat bolted on Chosen One story thread.

A bit like in ESB where the great Jedi Master turns out to be a strange little green guy with big ears.

The discussion about Sith Lords (if it is necessary at all) could be moved to when they have the ship up and running and take place via holograph (like Obi-wan's warning about Geonosis in AOTC).

George created this universe with holographic telephony and precognition but in TPM he felt the need to shift characters across the galaxy to deliver plot points to each other in person. Even in Shakespeare some messages are delivered via messengers rather than having all the characters on stage at once. In most tellings of King Arthur and as far as I know every telling of story of Jesus Christ we know about the Chosen One before we meet him in the story but in TPM we have to find out about all this after we meet Anakin which is one of the reasons it just feels shoved in.

It would need someone or some people to go through the script and see what lines need to be shifted and if they can be re-mixed in a credible way.

The real drawback being that, despite bold claims there is, as yet no scoreless sound mix so John Williams lovely music (not to mention all the various sound effects) may be a real bugger to filter out (if it is indeed possible at all).

Even then joining one piece of dialogue to another and finding a way around lip-sync miss matches is another real task but if it was easy I have no doubt someone would have done this sort of thing already.

As always all suggestions along these lines are welcome.

Gotcha...sounding good...I thought perhaps you had more specifics on dialouge...but yeah it's once you start planing out certain scenes that you'll realize if it works or not. I believe you said you're planning on getting some editing software...? If you *do* plan on trying this edit I'd certainly try and help with trying to find the right dialouge...  :D

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I have now got my new computer (running Cinelerra and Kdenlive which I'm having to learn from scratch) I'm also moving most of my crap (valuable data files) off my Mac and onto the beastie, freeing up a lot of space so I can use the Adobe software on that without tonnes of obscure Musique concrète and photos of melted cheese slowing me down.

So I'm not in a position to start making project announcements or anything like that, ergo my invitation for anyone who likes this direction to run with it if they wish to (not to say there was anything stopping people from doing that if I was in that position).

It's also not the only direction I'm intrigued by.

I'm also toying with the possibility of putting Dooku on the council in Episode One and having him at Qui Gon's funeral to create a bit more ambiguity to whether he is Sidious or a loyal Jedi in Episode Two (an idea I can't take credit for as it has appeared many times on this thread).

In TPM the coming of the Chosen One is meant to bring balance to the Force but in ROTS he has the added duty of destroying the Sith.

So I thought than when Qui-Gon says he senses the Chosen One and Mace asks if he is refering to the the one who will bring balance to the Force the line Dooku could pipe in with "and destroy the Sith" which would lead to the debate about the Sith being extinct and how they doubt they could return without the council sensing it.

That way his Sith destroying role is there from the beginning rather than added in just before Anakin turns.

 

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Warning: this point has probably been made before... ;-)

Bingowings' idea of initially keeping Amidala away from Naboo reminds me of something I've found fundamentally wrong with the PT.

A great part of the OT's adventure and spectacle comes from the constant changes in location - always moving forward, and apart from slight returns to Tatooine and Dagobah, never looking back. So the films are always visually fresh, with a constant sense of momentum.

In contrast, I remember feeling confused and dismayed when watching TPM for the first time, at around the point when the gang decides to leave Coruscant and return to Naboo. For the rest of the film. They're going back? But we've already SEEN Naboo! Sheesh...

Of course, I got used to this by the end of the three films - in AotC we were back on Naboo AGAIN. And it even pops up for a cameo in RotS. Same problem to a lesser degree with Coruscant, which we spend huge sections of the trilogy just hanging around on.

Ok, I get it, the PT universe is different and the characters aren't on the run - they have homes and permanent bases, so they're not exploring as much. But I still see it as a structural failure that the plotting loses out on the OT's restless travelling - it just feels landlocked as a result.

So, to cut a long story short, any reworking and restructuring that can remedy this failing will - to my mind - help retrieve a bit of OT-style magic.