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So i used to like Star Trek V when i was younger and now i find it almost unwatchable it is so bad.

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Is there a fanedit that fixes this awful film?

If such a thing were possible.

Its like the fanedits of the star wars prequels only so much can be done.

It is really a shame too because V has some good moments ruined by the search for god and adding a previously unknown vulcan called Sybok as spock's brother.

The score by Goldsmith is pretty good.  The effects are awful. 

Not Bennet's finest hour i am affraid.  People remember him for Trek 2-4.  And completely ignore his involvement with the script of V.  And his useing David Loughery to write his prequel.  Which i am thankful was never filmed.

 

 

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I actually thought this film wasnt half bad

I dont understand how people could think this film was so horrible after going to see the previous "save the whales" movie,.....after all, how hard would it be to believe that there is a god after seeing an alien cube come to earth just to destroy it unless it talks to some fish and then it talks to the fish for 5 seconds and then everything is ok and it leaves. I mean really? What could be said in that 5 seconds, was it a hi and bye routine? You figure after waiting that long to talk to this fish a little more conversation would be going on.

I think 4 is INCREDIBLY! over-rated

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I agree.  The probe concept was a redo of v'ger from star trek the motion picture.   That concept has always bothered me about the film.

V basically is using some of the same ideas that made it into the motion picture and the ones that did not like Roddenberry's God Thing script.

In Thy Image as written by Alan Dean Foster would have made a nice telemovie to reintroduce star trek but the real problem i have with most of the trek films is they are like extended tv episodes.

Big screen means they should put out all the stops and do as epic a scale as possible and budget allows.  The thing the characters usually suffer in a big screen format  whereas in a serial tv show they can develop them over time.

Should Shatner have been given a final cut option like Robert Wise?

He could have the effects redone or finished.  Shoot the material in the script that was never shot or create it in cgi. He has said he had to compromise quite a bit to get the film made.  A lot was changed to not anger the relgious for example.  The GOD creature was just an evil alien and in the original script it was Satan himself.  The planet finally is revealed to be hell and not heaven.

Though i have always laughed out loud at the notion of a rock man creature.  They made fun of this in that tim allen movie if i am not mistaken.  Galaxy Quest?

Then you have the fan made mst3k style trek V with the rock man song, lol.  Never seen it myself but the concept Shatner came up with is kind of hokey.

A lot of people still to this day that i have spoken to hate Trek VI for the heavy handed politics.  A lot of people thought the same about the star wars prequels.

My bro has always said the only action in VI was when Shatner says "fire!"

He of course thinks the action treks are better than the rest.  He thinks JJ's Trek is the best followed by First Contact.  He does not even remember wrath of khan.

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My favorite film is VI - I find it to be far superior to II, which, while very good, is basically just a revenge story.  Not very Trek-esque, as it were.

The Motion Picture would have been much, much better if they had worked to add some substance to the TV-pilot script instead of just adding very very long stretches of nothing happening.  I like the concepts, but the execution was sub-par.

I haven't seen III, IV, or V in years, and I find it interesting you bring this up since for the past several weeks I've been slowly HandBrake-ing the entire Original Series to my hard drive from my library, and I just popped in Star Trek V to copy that when I saw this thread.  If only that bastard who's had most of Season 3 out when it was due last week would return it ...

At any rate, I now have III, IV and V, and I'm probably going to have a nice marathon of those three in the near future.  I'll let you know what I think of them after I've watched them again.

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I guess I should have put in my 2 cents to which I think is best...

Ill start off by saying the transition from the OS crew to the TNG crew was done extremely well and that I have seen the "new/pseudo" ST or which I refer to as "Bandwagon Trek", and the cast was.......ridiculous

Favorite movie with the OS crew, VI had alot of substance and something about it just stuck with me, thought it was done very well, and I soley credit Meyer for this, since II was my second fav of the OS crew, and I think Nimoy is over-rated as a director, because without Lloyd in the III, that movie would have blown donkey D

Favorite movie with the TNG crew, I really liked Generations and I dont care how many people hated it, maybe cause we had both Kirk and Picard idk, but it was a good movie to me. First Contact would be second on my list, and then it was all pretty much downhill from there.

This new crew does nothing for me cause its NOT a ST movie, its an action movie with a Star Trekesk theme....and now theyre gonna be big names, not want to get type casted and only do one or two more movies and then ST will lay dormant until the next reboot, in 25 years

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My favorite Star Trek film is Star Trek: The Motion Picture, followed by Star Trek (2009).

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I don't dislike V.  It's goofy, yes, but I enjoy it.  I saw both TMP and V at the same time, and I have to say I enjoyed V better.  It wasn't great, but at least it was more interesting than the snooze fest that was Star Trek:  The Motionless Picture.

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It certainly isn't an action-packed film. It satisfies on every other level instead.

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I admit I liked it better the second time I saw it, but it's not that it's not action-packed... it's that it's unbearably slow like ChainsawAsh said. Like when the Enterprise refit is revealed for the first time. It was epic and amazing... for the first seven minutes or so. After that, though, it started to get a little boring. Can we just get on with this already?!

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I have never been able to get into ST:TMP. It has always been a really dull film to me, and not in a non-action packed kind of way. I am all about substance over style, but I feel ST:TMP lacks both substance and action. Its story is far shorter than its run time, resulting in an awful lot of padding. It isn't due to it being an old film either, as plenty of films contemporary to it and older than it don't suffer from the same issues. Like Gaff said, a lot of that stuff was cool the first time, but after it didn't age well. Every time you watch that film it literally screams out at you, "Look at me! I am so pretty!" When it first came out it was like a gorgeous twenty year old shouting that out, now it is like a ninety year old woman who still thinks she got it.

Star Trek V is the other one I have never liked much. VI is probably my favorite right after II. III is alright, IV pretty much sucks, but for some reason I still enjoy it from time to time, pretty goofy though, really comes off as a parody of itself.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I first watched TMP when having an extremely limited knowledge of Star Trek. It was late 2005. I had to know what my father loved so much about Star Trek, so I devoted a great deal of time watching the films and the various series (mostly TOS and TNG).

One of my favorite scenes, which cemented Spock as being in my top 10 list of favorite fictional characters, was when he shot himself into V'Ger while only in a space suit. He then proceeds to non-chalantly record his findings.

Then there's Ilia, who has to be the most attractive bald woman I have ever seen. The probe, an exact replication of her, then emerged from a chamber in bare legs. I am a leg man, and she had a perfect pair. RIP to her actress. I found out recently that Ilia and Decker were the basis for Riker and Troi in The Next Generation.

The film has an almost creepy vibe, augmented by the fact that it is very visibly aged by today's standards. William Shatner provides the human aspect, when everyone else is oddly distant.

The twist as to the identity of V'Ger was very well done. The score, special effects, and timing of scenes, all masterful.

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I can't remember where I read it, but I felt better about V after reading an article about how only the vaction scenes should be taken as real, with the rest of the film being Kirk's nightmare.  His friends lie to him, betray him, he loses his ship, he finds that God is inside all of us, and everyone is reunited.  No one speaks of it again.

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That's certainly an interesting view.  It kinda negates the entire film, but I suppose that's the point, right?

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My thoughts on Star Trek V....half of it (maybe more than half) is simply brilliant and really evokes the feeling of the original series and the ship feels like a ship for the first time since TMP.

All the early stuff with Laurence Luckinbill is great (some nice nods to Luckinbill Of Arabia).

The humour is a little forced at times (as if they were told to put it in because the gags in The Voyage Home were a big hit) but most of the time it's pretty much on the level of the original series.

The effects aren't that special however and as soon as they get to Sha Ka Ree it becomes clear they ran out of time and money to finish the film.

On the whole it's nowhere near as bad as a lot of detractors make out and if Paramount put in the same amount of work they did on TMP  put in the rock monsters and the like and edited out some of the slightly forced bits (especially with the Klingons) it might surprise a few people about how solid some of the performances actually are (though it is the only film I can think of which might actually be better without David Warner, I love the guy but it's certainly not his finest few hours).

The Slowwww Motion Picture is still my favourate Star Trek film.

I know it's cobbled together from bits from OS episodes, I don't care that we have three loooong effects scenes (they are perfectly justified by the story and I have a very long attention span) it's the only Star Trek film that is truly cinematic and worthy of being seen on a big screen.

And it's the only one where the crew actually explore anything.

Hopefully the next Star Trek film will have the new/old crew going out into space and doing a bit of seeking out for a change.

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Yeah, the theme of exploration was sorely lacking in the films.  As I said, I enjoy The Motion Picture, but I feel many of the sequences were added just because they needed more runtime than they had story, which brings the movie down for me.

I think I'll watch The Final Frontier tonight.  See if it's as bad as I remember.

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This thread has inspired me watch my way through the original six movies again. I watched The Wrath of Kahn about a month or so, and today watched III and a tiny bit of IV. After I watch V and VI, I'll double back and catch TMP. Figured I'd skip it for now since I had already seen II recently, making the next logical step III, and wasn't really in the mood for something that slow.

I always remembered III being kind of on the dull side, but it was a lot better of a movie than I remember it being. For what it was anyway. Hmm, whatever happened to even scripts and stories that take themselves seriously to a healthy degree? Are they really a thing of the past? I hope not, but I am beginning to wonder. So sick of stories that don't make sense and levels of comic relief that bring every modern action film teetering on the edge of being a comedy. Seems like people usually use the phrase "and it doesn't take itself too seriously..." as a positive attribute when reviewing a movie... maybe it is time to take a few steps back, eh?

 

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I finished watching The Final Frontier a couple nights ago, and it was actually pretty good.  Definitely nowhere near unwatchable.  My biggest gripes are the unnecessary cheesy humor ("I know this ship like the back of my hand!"), the somewhat dull climax, and the fact that the entire movie seems to directly contradict the TAS episode The Magicks of Megas-Tu (where the Enterprise goes to the center of the galaxy, there's no Galactic Barrier, and they witness matter being created and get sucked into a parallel universe), but then again, much of the time the original episodes contradicted others anyway.

I do, however, wish Sybock's "Let me feel your pain" or whatever thing was explained, you know, at all.

My revised list, best to worst:

- The Undiscovered Country
- The Wrath of Khan
- The Final Frontier
- The Motion Picture

Next up are The Search for Spock and The Voyage Home, which I remember so very little of that I didn't feel right in putting either one on the list with the other four.

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The energy barrier is much like the one the Enterprise passed through when being thrown out of the galaxy in Is There in Truth No Beauty?.

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ChainsawAsh said:

My revised list, best to worst:

- The Undiscovered Country
- The Wrath of Khan
- The Final Frontier
- The Motion Picture

Next up are The Search for Spock and The Voyage Home, which I remember so very little of that I didn't feel right in putting either one on the list with the other four.


So far I concur with your list, but if you place BOTH TSoS and TVH above TFF......I will facepalm, read previous posts for my thoughts of both

 

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The energy barrier is much like the one the Enterprise passed through when being thrown out of the galaxy in Is There in Truth No Beauty?.

 

 Which was also like the galactic barrier in Where No Man Has Gone Before.

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I have to go:

Wrath of Kahn
Undiscovered Country
Voyage Home
Search for Spock
The Motion Picture
Final Frontier

Not that I think SFS or TMP are bad, that's just my ranking.  TFF is bad though.

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Since everybody else is doin' it, I'll jump on the wagon:

Wrath of Kahn
Undiscovered Country (these first two are actually a bit of a tie for me)
Search for Spock
The Motion Picture
Voyage Home
Final Frontier

 

I have always had a soft spot for The Undiscovered Country. It was the first Trek film I was old enough to be excited about going to the theater for. With the previous ST films I saw in the theater, I was more of tag-a-long going to the movies with my dad.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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FACEPALM is in full effect now after those last two post

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Eh, why not.  I'll give it a shot

Undiscovered Country
Wrath of Khan (nearly tied, but I wanted to break tradition by flipping the order)
Search for Spock
Voyage Home (again, nearly tied with these two, but I again flipped the order)
Final Frontier
TMP (BORING, but at least had the novelty of seeing the characters' lives after Starfleet... before coming back to Starfleet)

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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What is with the facepalming, Comp? Seems like just about everybody I have ever talked to about this subject places 2 and 6 at the top of their list, 1 and 5 at the very bottom, and 3 and 4 in the middle.

With the TNG crew films is it more of a mixed bag though, I rarely find people who agree on them. But with TOS era films, there is very rarely much disagreement. My personal favorite TNG film is Insurrection (also the very first DVD I ever purchased), though most people absolutely hate it. I'd like the rank First Contact as my second, because I really enjoyed it, but the dumb concept of the Borg Queen being introduced really makes that hard for me. I love the whole concept of the Borg, but the idea of a Borg Queen is really weak, completely changes the nature of the Borg, and really knocks their coolness factor down quite a lot. They obviously felt the need to stick with the trend of having a villian, but I wish they had given it a pass just this once.

 

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape