ChainsawAsh said:Here's the thing.
You didn't like the new Trek movie. That's fine. You say, "It's not Star Trek." That's fine.
Then you say that the only reason that's okay but us saying the exact same thing about the Star Wars prequels isn't is because George Lucas made the prequels, but Roddenberry didn't make the new Trek movie. Therefore, everything Lucas makes in relation to Star Wars must be okay because he made it, and everything not made by Roddenberry in relation to Star Trek must be shit.
But what of the tons of episodes of Trek that Roddenberry didn't write? What of Wrath of Khan? Roddenberry was forced out of creative control of the films after the first one because of its failures and shortcomings. But Wrath is widely considered to be the greatest Star Trek of them all.
George Lucas didn't write or direct The Empire Strikes Back, and has gone on record saying it's his least favorite of the six films ... yet it's widely considered the best of the series.
People aren't infallible. Just because Lucas made the prequels doesn't mean they're good. They aren't. Lucas started to lose what made Star Wars great after he saw Empire and decided he needed to have more control over the next ones, and overcompensated for what he saw as Empire's shortcomings.
You're being hypocritical because you give us shit for disliking the prequels, but won't hear a good word for the new Star Trek movie because you think it goes against what made Star Trek good. How is that any different from us disliking the prequels because we think they went against what made Star Wars good? Who made either one is irrelevant.
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And for fuck's sake, the movie did not wipe away 40 years of Star Trek canon - it created an alternate timeline. The original still exists. Why is that so hard for people to understand?
Well the only true Star Trek was the Original Series its movies and the Next Generation. I enjoyed parts of DS9 and Voyager but they werent Star Trek. Enterprise was just garbage. TOS and TNG were made by Roddenberry, his creation so they were Star Trek.
As far as George Lucas saying that Empire is his least favorite. Since when does any one believe what Lucas says anymore? People are always complaining about Lucas contradicting himself. You cant have it both ways. either what he says is admissable or its not.
Whether or not the Prequels are good is a matter of opinion. Whether you like them or not they ARE Star Wars becuase the creator of Star Wars made them. Star Wars is his. He worte the prequels, they are canon, it's Star Wars. Star Trek has not been Star Trek since The Next Generation. However I would take a 1000 seasons of that Enterprise tripe (forgive me for saying that Gene) over that movie. Im not arguing whether you liked it, its creator made it so its Star Wars. Just like the new Star Trek movie isnt Star Trek as well as DS9, Voyager and Enterprise werent Star Trek, However, compared to that new movie DS9 Enterprise and Voyager are perfect Star Trek....and we all know they werent.
And I really try not to give anyone shit about their opinions, I do. I try to understand opinions that are soo different from mine....mostly I just want to share my joy of Star Wars with people that enjoy it and there doesnt seem to be anyone that actually does anymore. It makes me sad.
And the movie DID wipe out 40 years of canon. Its not an alternate timeline. Its an altered timeline. I it was only an alternate timeline Spock (Nimoy real Spock) should be able to get back to his proper timeline but he cant. Its been altered. Paramount and Abrahms pissed all over Star Trek fans with this film.