rcb said:
i'm srry, but revenge is never used in the jedi code, so no changing the title please. i'm putting that title into carbon freeze

You mean like those peaceful Shaolin Monks they were pretty much based on?

- because all of those philosophically minded martial artists NEVER sought revenge... >:D

Come to think of it, was there ever a movie where a peaceful monk DIDN'T seek revenge for something?

- regardless, I do agree with the points here in that Luke AND Vader don't really want revenge so much as redemption (Luke in the typical meaning of the word, Vader in a more "I'm now the CEO of the Empire as opposed to some old dude's lackey" sort of way).

Vader wants to rule the Empire but maybe in a more even-handed way (provided of course if that is what it will take to get his son on his side; maybe he just wants to pitch some ball with the kid...I mean he hasn't seen him in @ 20+ years for crissake!!! Maybe Vader just wants a friend and he's lonely. Imagine if your best friend was Tarkin or the Emperor. You think they ever talked about sports or movies? And can you imagine the conversation on POLITICS? Sheesh!:

Emperor/Tarkin: "What do I believe in? What do I believe in?! You KNOW what I believe in! I'm DOING it!
[smacks him on the back of the helmet].)

and Luke wants to prove his father isn't past the point of no return.... because, you know, it would really suck to have to kill YOUR OWN FATHER.

Remember, Vader talks Palpy into giving Luke a chance, which is what Luke tries with Yoda and Ben (who, funnily enough, aren't as willing as Palpy to change their mind... now what does THAT tell you?)

So in the end, both Vader and Luke have fairly positive missions that most likely mean the death of the Emperor, but the end result is essentially family bonding. I mean they could have backed over the Emperor with a truck and no one would have cared or noticed, just as long as Vader and Luke worked their sh*t out...