Bingowings said:
TheBoost said:
Regardless of who the Jedi in the title refers to, Revenge is a conscious act, requiring intent. No one has that intent. One cant accidentally take revenge on someone.

I dunno. Luke had his ass beat down in ESB and he returned. Vader at one point stopped being a jedi, and apparently returned to being a jedi. It can be implyed that perhaps Luke restarts the Jedi order, or by the very act of confronting Vader he becomes a Jedi, hence the extinct Jedi return.

The word can refer to both the active seeking of retribution and the achievement of retribution.

Retribution was achieved regardless of it being sought or not so it can still be described as revenge.

It wasn't achieved by accident (in the sense of "Whoops! What a mishap! My actions have caused someone who has defeated me before to suffer a fatal fall"), it was not necessarily an outcome that was directly sought. Ben and Yoda wanted Vader and Palpatine to be removed from power and this was achieved in the form of a retributive outcome.

Going by the criteria you use all episodes of the saga after TPM could be called "Return Of The Astrodroid" ;-)

Revenge cannot happen without revenge being the express intent. Somebody hit my car in the parking lot, and their insurance paid for the damage. That was a retribuitive outcome, and yet it was not vengeance.

With a hero who is not seeking vengeance but instead redemption motivated by compassion (Luke), and a guy who kills his boss in a sudden act of desperate emotion motivated by familial love, "REVENGE of the Jedi" seems a title trying to hard to be bad-ass.

And what exactly is Vader supposedly seeking vengeance for? You need to read into some pretty murky subtext to say he acted for vengeance.

By your criteria Return of the King is VENGEANCE OF THE HOBBIT because the hero causes the downfall of a villain.

But now that you mention it, I do remember a line in ESB that supports your point.

YODA: Be calm. At peace. Act only for defence, never attack. And get some motherf***g revenge on those punks! Kill! KILL! Terrible bloody vengeance you must sow!! Paybacks a b***h Sithies!!!