I'd see another Indy film with Ford. I'd even see Mutt films, because I like Shia. Though I wish they'd dump the name "Mutt" because, like the fridge and nuke, that was going too far. But the Young Indy series with Sean Patrick Flannely is on my list of things I want Lucas to acknowledge are non-canonical and crap (that list obviously includes the Star Wars prequels and Specially Fucked Editions).
They had to be conservative in terms of budget on raiders. Once the movie was sucessful they were able to do some of the more wild and crazy ideas in the next picture temple of doom.
Lucas would challenge himself and spielberg to top their previous sucessful films. And each indy film had to be bigger than the last and top it in terms of action and effects. Lucas gave himself the same challenge on the prequels to top the original trilogy or at least return of the jedi. We all know how that turned out.
They did in some ways top Last Crusade with Crystal Skull. Still i liked crusade and hated skull.
Well i don't entirely hate skull lol. Kingdom of the crystal skull had some moments i enjoyed. But the slapstick was overdone imho. Which i think Lucas started to do over the top slapstick sequences in return of the jedi. Topping it all off with the dreadful phantom menace and jar jar and the gungans.
Some of the more jokey slapstick type things in doom and crusade i enjoyed as a kid but they annoy me to no end as an adult. I appreciate Raiders far more because it treats the material seriously. While the next films tried to make a fun rollercoaster ride. Once the material is treated in camp and self mockery it no longer works.
I think Marquand himself said when directing jedi that he wanted to treat the material seriously and not campy like they did on the 1980 flash gordon. Too bad Lucas still was allowed to put sillyness into the film. I wish marquand stuck to his guns of playing the material straight forward and without self derision.
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I think they should have made indiana jones 4 when harrison ford was doing his I WANT MY FAMILY BACK MOVIES. Hell even when he did The Fugitive he was still in prime condition. But I can bitch all I want about it and it wont change a thing, I accepted The Last Crusade as the end way before Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull. I still do, come on what better way to end the adventure than riding into the sunset. And riding into the sunset gives you the feeling that Indy will still have adventures but we dont need to see anymore. Indy 4 had its moments but it felt sort of like they were jumping the shark. I don't have a problem with Indy 4 as others like it but I will just keep my adventurous heart with the Trilogy. Plus I have all of those Rob MacGregor books that were just soo good. They should have hired him to do the screenplay. His Indy books just fit into the movies so well. Plus they have Struzan covers that help tie in even more LOL. Enjoy Indy 4 and whatever comes out of it guys. I dont want to sound like the party pooper any longer. And if they make another INDIANA JONES movie I will see it. If it is a MUTT JONES film I WILL NOT SEE IT. I like Shia LeBouf but I did not like his character in the 4th movie. He was too much of a wise guy. Shia Lebouf was a good pick for indiana jones' son but they should have made his character more Fordish.
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Wow, am I the only one who finds Shia LeBouf annoying and obnoxious in everything he is in?
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C3PX said:Wow, am I the only one who finds Shia LeBouf annoying and obnoxious in everything he is in?
I can't stand him at all.
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Vaderisnothayden said:Ziz said:Sluggo said:Also, Speilberg needs to grow a pair. If George ever comes up with another alien idea, Steven needs to stop it dead in it's tracks.
Ironic, since there's stories about Lucas having to reign Spielberg in on "Raiders"
GL: "OK, Steven, you said you were just going to kill 'a couple of Germans in this scene."
SS: "Nazis. I'm killing Nazis. I like Germans."
GL: "Fine. How many is 'a couple'?"
SS: "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6....10 guys. That's 'a couple'."
GL: "That's a dozen!"
SS: "George, I'm making a really big movie here."
GL: "Yes, I realize that, Steven, but there's a difference between a simple murder and a cult massacre!"
Are those actual real quotes? Did Spielberg actually get overenthusiastic about killing off Nazis?
Taken from "Skywalking - the Life and Films of George Lucas". I have an original copy from the mid 80's. Don't know if subsequent releases were edited or changed in any way.
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C3PX said:Wow, am I the only one who finds Shia LeBouf annoying and obnoxious in everything he is in?
Normally, I'd agree with you, but I honestly didn't mind him a bit in KOTCS. But nearly everything else I've seen him in, it's like nails on a chalkboard.
I used to watch some of "Even Stevens", Shia's big debut in entertainment. I couldn't stand his guts, I just watched it for his character's sister (Christy Carlson Romano or something... she went on to do the voice of Kim Possible).
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Ziz said:Vaderisnothayden said:Ziz said:Sluggo said:Also, Speilberg needs to grow a pair. If George ever comes up with another alien idea, Steven needs to stop it dead in it's tracks.
Ironic, since there's stories about Lucas having to reign Spielberg in on "Raiders"
GL: "OK, Steven, you said you were just going to kill 'a couple of Germans in this scene."
SS: "Nazis. I'm killing Nazis. I like Germans."
GL: "Fine. How many is 'a couple'?"
SS: "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6....10 guys. That's 'a couple'."
GL: "That's a dozen!"
SS: "George, I'm making a really big movie here."
GL: "Yes, I realize that, Steven, but there's a difference between a simple murder and a cult massacre!"
Are those actual real quotes? Did Spielberg actually get overenthusiastic about killing off Nazis?
Taken from "Skywalking - the Life and Films of George Lucas". I have an original copy from the mid 80's. Don't know if subsequent releases were edited or changed in any way.
Wow! I'll have to take a look at my copy. It's as if Lucas couldn't stand the thought of a bunch of Nazi's getting killed.
skyjedi2005 said:Some of the more jokey slapstick type things in doom and crusade i enjoyed as a kid but they annoy me to no end as an adult. I appreciate Raiders far more because it treats the material seriously. While the next films tried to make a fun rollercoaster ride. Once the material is treated in camp and self mockery it no longer works.
I don't see why Indiana jones films should take themselves seriously. I think Indy films trying to take themselves seriously is rather misguided and futile. Indiana Jones is RIDICULOUS and taking it seriously is pointless. That doesn't mean they should go off the deep end and take out all sense of threat. And while there's no point in taking it seriously as in keeping the straight face avoiding the silly stuff, there should some taking it seriously in the sense of doing it like they mean it. That's where Crystal Skull failed. Crusade had all sorts of silly stuff, but they still meant it for real a lot. The combination of them meaning it along with the humor worked well. Whereas in Crystal Skull nothing was for real and thus it doesn't really touch you much emotionally. There's a difference between Crusade (or Doom) and Crystal Skull and that's the difference between a good Indy movie and a plastic one.
Crusade and Doom weren't just more fun than Raiders, they were better at the serious stuff too. There was more sense of threat in their villains and situations and settings and more feeling in their character interactions. There was just so much more to those two films. They don't belong lumped with the bland artificiality of Crystal Skull.
C3PX said:Wow, am I the only one who finds Shia LeBouf annoying and obnoxious in everything he is in?
Shia is a talented actor who's very good at making his characters relatable human beings. He connects the audience to the characters' feelings. He's one of the best young actors out there. I'm very glad they picked him as Indy's son. He's thoroughly appropriate for the role and more than a little reminiscent of Ford.
Vaderisnothayden said:Shia is a talented actor who's very good at making his characters relatable human beings. He connects the audience to the characters' feelings. He's one of the best young actors out there.
Holy freakin shit could I not disagree with you more!... eerrr... I mean... I must respectfully disagree. I find that kid in no way relateable in the slightest sense. I do however find him extremely abnoxious with an uncanny ability to annoy me more than most working actors out there.
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lordjedi said:Ziz said:Vaderisnothayden said:Ziz said:Sluggo said:Also, Speilberg needs to grow a pair. If George ever comes up with another alien idea, Steven needs to stop it dead in it's tracks.
Ironic, since there's stories about Lucas having to reign Spielberg in on "Raiders"
GL: "OK, Steven, you said you were just going to kill 'a couple of Germans in this scene."
SS: "Nazis. I'm killing Nazis. I like Germans."
GL: "Fine. How many is 'a couple'?"
SS: "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6....10 guys. That's 'a couple'."
GL: "That's a dozen!"
SS: "George, I'm making a really big movie here."
GL: "Yes, I realize that, Steven, but there's a difference between a simple murder and a cult massacre!"
Are those actual real quotes? Did Spielberg actually get overenthusiastic about killing off Nazis?
Taken from "Skywalking - the Life and Films of George Lucas". I have an original copy from the mid 80's. Don't know if subsequent releases were edited or changed in any way.
Wow! I'll have to take a look at my copy. It's as if Lucas couldn't stand the thought of a bunch of Nazi's getting killed.
You're only allowed to kill droid troopers.
I'll see it.
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Just found this at "Ain't It Cool" [Published on Monday, September 14, 2009]:
Well, rejoice. It's for real. Here's Harrison Ford talking to the French newspaper Le Figaro about the status of INDY 5:
"The story for the new Indiana Jones is in the process of taking form. Steven Spielberg, George Lucas and myself are agreed on what the fifth adventure will concern, and George is actively at work. If the script is good, I'll be very happy to put the costume on again."
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FanFiltration said:
Just found this at "Ain't It Cool" [Published on Monday, September 14, 2009]:
Well, rejoice. It's for real. Here's Harrison Ford talking to the French newspaper Le Figaro about the status of INDY 5:
"The story for the new Indiana Jones is in the process of taking form. Steven Spielberg, George Lucas and myself are agreed on what the fifth adventure will concern, and George is actively at work. If the script is good, I'll be very happy to put the costume on again."
ROFL! at the words George Lucas and the script is good in the same paragraph.
I finally found the Koepp script online and read some of it, it was painfully awful the script for crystal skull, that and reading the 3 prequel star wars scripts you would wish you were a droid so you could get a memory wipe,lol.
I thought there was no way that script could be any worse than the pure cheese of the Darabount Script which best scene was cobbled from a Kasden line, "Its not the mileage honey its the years"
Maybe they should approach the story the same way they did Raiders, i just wish howard Kanzanjian could come out of retirement and douglas slocombe was still available, as well as lawrence kasdan. And no nonsense Lucas and Spielberg who knew humor in the old days and not how to ruin a movie.
They should repeat what went right of indy 4 and try to prevent anymore flying cgi monkeys, gophers/prairie dogs and nuked fridges and triple niagara falls,lol.
Or they could just completely forgot the plot of the last film and have no marion, no mutt and no frickin aliens.
I would probably see it just to see if Harrison Ford could pull a gem performance out of a poor damn script, "George you can type this shit, but you sure as hell can't say it"
Indy IV without ford would have been an absolute disaster, imagine if they had shia carry the entire film.
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skyjedi2005 said:
Some of the more jokey slapstick type things in doom and crusade i enjoyed as a kid but they annoy me to no end as an adult. I appreciate Raiders far more because it treats the material seriously. While the next films tried to make a fun rollercoaster ride. Once the material is treated in camp and self mockery it no longer works.
I don't think that's entirely the case for Indy stuff. I think trying to take Indiana Jones too seriously is a lost cause. a certain amount of camp self-mockery fits fine. It's just that taking it too far is not a good idea. It was great in Indy 3, just not so much in Indy 4.
I think Marquand himself said when directing jedi that he wanted to treat the material seriously and not campy like they did on the 1980 flash gordon. Too bad Lucas still was allowed to put sillyness into the film. I wish marquand stuck to his guns of playing the material straight forward and without self derision.
I found ROTJ plenty serious enough. The silly stuff is rather a smaller proportion of the film than some people acknowledge and was offset by stuff that was serious.
I rather like Indy4, so I'd go for more!
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Harrison Ford Gives Some Indiana Jones 5 Details
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When actors at that stage of their life say they are excited about returning for another one, I keep thinking "another one" = another paycheck.
I agree completely, I wished they would quit destroying my childhood memories and imagination.
It scares me that he says an idea that is crazy but great. More crazy than flying through the air in a nuked fridge, monkeys helping attack russians, or mayan temples transforming into alien saucer ships?
Why would he want to do another Jones because its probably a bigger paycheck than his serious acting roles, like that new one with Brendan frasier forget what its called at the moment.
Seriously What was the last blockbuster he made that made him as much bank as crystal skull, last crusade was a moderate success and so were doom and raiders. I would have to think the star wars trilogy was the last such time he was attached to a film series or movie making hundreds of millions of dollars like star wars 1977.
Scary to think Skull was his most successful film since 1977's star wars which was a very good film and crystal skull mediocre at best to absolute awful at worst on the level of plan 9 awful.
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Harrison Ford Gives Some Indiana Jones 5 Details
January 11th, 2010I don't want to go and make yet another thread about an Indiana Jones V, so I have just been placing all the (credible) rumors and update news here. Hope you don't mind Skyjedi2005."he said when reminded of a quote he gave saying that Lucas' idea was "crazy but great."That statement by Ford, does not leave me with much optimism.When actors at that stage of their life say they are excited about returning for another one, I keep thinking "another one" = another paycheck.
The fact Ford probably has more money than God from the huge number of huge hit films he's been in, Ford can actually afford to be very picky with his roles (note how few films he's made in the last ten years) so his excitment for the project could just as easily (or even more so) be seen as a plus.
I truly hope Lucas never makes another Indiana Jones movie. I do not need to see the Indiana Jones Trilogy raped again. However if he or someone else made another one and people here that I trust said it was great and as great as the original, also if Lucas does what he should do with OOT so I can end my boycott of anything Lucas, I might see the new movie.
What are you all talking about ?
There's only ONE Indiana Jones film, and it doesn't need to be followed !
And in order to appreciate writters and directors imagination and creativity I'd like to see something else.
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