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Speaking of destruction, im wondering  if a little brainstorm about what destruction  the bombers can do.

See it as a test.

I always wanted to see something like when the asteroid hits paris in armagedon here. Not something apocalyptic just the style.

From the other hand we can have some broken stones/debris combined with some molten ones in an electrified explosion.

Anyways the compositing is pretty weak in these shots(you can see bad transparency problems with tie fighters)

Assuming Ady will make the canyon at the end he can explode it to film that scene :)

Watch the C4 flyboys

-Angel

I agree.

The TIE Bombers' bombs always seemed completely ineffective in the astroid field. They just sort of lit up the ground and left no mark. Nice shop-job, Angel.

The Bombs themselves looked like glowing shit. LOL.

ImperialFighter said:

corellian77,  I hadn't seen that interesting top shot of production art before.  Nice one.

Adywan, while I'd seen the 'prototype' miniature shots over the years, I'd also never seen the actual 'Falcon/Tantive lV' miniature shot you showed in your last post.  It's always neat to see rare behind-the-scenes photos of the Original Trilogy filming miniatures.

It was especially neat to clearly see where exactly it's retractable 'landing struts' were situated.

 

i scanned it from a great book i got from Birmingham last week for £2. It was a Star Wars special of Sci-fi & fantasy modeller. It has some great BTS pics of the ships in many stages of production. many of the pics i have never seen before including a Red Squadron Y-Wing.

TK99 said:

I was wondering after seeing your change of the Vectored graphic of the Death Star plans. Are you going to add graphic inserts on those glass panels that everyone is looking through in the control room?

Another is adding glow effects on the AT-AT's armor after the ground turrets fire on them and have them last a few seconds or show damage.

I don't know how difficult that would be or do think it would make them too busy and distracting, because I understand (ironically from the SG1 dvd's) that less is more and you don't want to go overboard. Adding too much and making it too difficult to concentrate on the scene.

Oh and you use the DVD's and not the 720P versions that are about the net right or do you uprate them?

there will be some subtle additions to the glass panels in the Hoth control room. I don't think they needed the additions in ANH:R because the yaving control room seemed a lot more low tech than the Hoth one.

i don't think that the AT-AT's need any form of glow added when the lasers hit. The armour is very strong and a glow would indicate that the armour is hot, which would be a weakness. The blast marks that are left is all that needs to be there.

i used the DVD for ANH:R because the HD versions weren't available back then. For the rest of the saga i am using the German HDTV 1080p versions, downscaling to 720p. Even downscaled to DVD res there is still more detail than in the official DVD's

BarBar Jinkx said:

ady would you consider chopping the ships out of those pics & have them flying about in the background (escaping Bespin, or in the reble fleet etc) ?

i'm building a few small ships to add to the end rebel fleet to replace many of the ships, especially the cut & paste ones in the last shot.

vaderios said:

Ady:

Sure you are going to do something for that :D

I hope always with some more modern panels for the snow speeders.

 

Also i dont know if you noticed some jerky dusty edges in some particular scenes like this.

The most safe way to eliminate them is to zoom a bit...

-Angel

unfortunately i won't be able to do anything like that for the exterior in those top shots. The ground is moving very fast and i would have to build a very long set to replace it in order to have new AT-At's . but the displays will be having a tweak.

as for the feathery edges, this appears on many movies but the overscan on TV's eliminates this. yes, you will see it on a HDTV that does 1:1 pixel mapping but this doesn't bother me.

vaderios said:

Speaking of destruction, im wondering  if a little brainstorm about what destruction  the bombers can do.

See it as a test.

I always wanted to see something like when the asteroid hits paris in armagedon here. Not something apocalyptic just the style.

From the other hand we can have some broken stones/debris combined with some molten ones in an electrified explosion.

Anyways the compositing is pretty weak in these shots(you can see bad transparency problems with tie fighters)

Assuming Ady will make the canyon at the end he can explode it to film that scene :)

Watch the C4 flyboys

 

-Angel

now this is something that i did think long and hard about and i think they got it right just as it is. I don't see the bombs as being destructive at all. Why, if they want to capture the falcon, would they use destructive weapons that would possibly cause all sorts of internal damage to the inside of the asteroid and possibly destroy the falcon in the process. I believe that they are just very low yield bombs, maybe just flash bombs,  that are only meant to draw the falcon out. more of an audible attack.

I like angel's idea of the bombs. Ady, why not just make it less powerful? As in, make it look like it does something but without being too lethal, and just something to draw out the Falcon as you said?

vaderios said:

Ady:

Sure you are going to do something for that :D

I hope always with some more modern panels for the snow speeders.

 

-Angel

 I agree with Angel on changing not the exterior of the shot but what you see in the cockpit, this mock up is great and to add something to the speeder's dashboard like in ANH:R would be a nice touch, a compass? a shield indicator? maybe a targeting computer? ideas.....

adywan said:

I don't see the bombs as being destructive at all. ... I believe that they are just very low yield bombs, maybe just flash bombs,  that are only meant to draw the falcon out.

That's exactly how I've always seen it. Flushing them out, not burying them.

Oh, any chance you could do a quick scan of that Red Squadron Y-Wing pic you mentioned? ;)

Hey Vaderios, one suggestion - can you post your before and after pics top-to-bottom instead of left-to-right?  Less side scrolling.

Ripplin said:

adywan said:

I don't see the bombs as being destructive at all. ... I believe that they are just very low yield bombs, maybe just flash bombs,  that are only meant to draw the falcon out.

That's exactly how I've always seen it. Flushing them out, not burying them.

Oh, any chance you could do a quick scan of that Red Squadron Y-Wing pic you mentioned? ;)

 

Sorry if this has been mentioned already but watching the new trailer I noticed that the emperors dialouge has now been sped up to match the speed of Clives original performance! I love it! :D

Thanks, Ady! Great pic! I love how exceptionally weathered it is.

I agree, they wouldn't be trying to destroy the rock, just scare them out. 

All the same, I think there should be something (anything) done to the asteroid bombs. They look very... bad... the way they are now. Just a more slightly more visible bomb and stronger white flash even.

Just my opinion of course!

^Well, vaderios' mock-up was pretty good. Still doesn't look like destruction, just a more intense flash/blast. Sort of electrical, or plasma-y. ;)

adywan said:

unfortunately i won't be able to do anything like that for the exterior in those top shots. The ground is moving very fast and i would have to build a very long set to replace it in order to have new AT-At's . but the displays will be having a tweak.

Ady. I took the frame from a next shot just before we see from the top the smoking speeder zoom out.

That particular scene have much motion and movement and you dont have to worry if the AT-ATs should look moving.

Plus the sun is changing all the time directions.

With several lasers and a slight motion blur you have your revisited shot :)

I can help you with the matte :)

-Angel

fishmanlee said:

oh and which user has the shooting alec guiness sig

What, you want to fight about it?  Does you want... fisticuffs?

:P

Ziz said:

Hey Vaderios, one suggestion - can you post your before and after pics top-to-bottom instead of left-to-right?  Less side scrolling.

Lets see if it works that way :)

i know Ady have rerotoscoped all the lasers but this pic belongs to the lame pic of the week.

Also i find why the shadows dont look realistic on the rocks... they dont have motion blur!

Also ady, im wondering if you going to fix/replace some bad elements..

Like there for example:

The snow speeders in the background are so dark and going so slow. any chance to see them in the real speed?

Also when the flashes appears in the cockpit shots they create some bad bluescreen elements.

-Angel (24 days left )

adywan said:

vaderios said:

Speaking of destruction, im wondering  if a little brainstorm about what destruction  the bombers can do.

See it as a test.

I always wanted to see something like when the asteroid hits paris in armagedon here. Not something apocalyptic just the style.

From the other hand we can have some broken stones/debris combined with some molten ones in an electrified explosion.

Anyways the compositing is pretty weak in these shots(you can see bad transparency problems with tie fighters)

Assuming Ady will make the canyon at the end he can explode it to film that scene :)

Watch the C4 flyboys

 

-Angel

now this is something that i did think long and hard about and i think they got it right just as it is. I don't see the bombs as being destructive at all. Why, if they want to capture the falcon, would they use destructive weapons that would possibly cause all sorts of internal damage to the inside of the asteroid and possibly destroy the falcon in the process. I believe that they are just very low yield bombs, maybe just flash bombs,  that are only meant to draw the falcon out. more of an audible attack.

 

 

That does make sense that they could be more of a technique to draw them out but the bombs could still project a larger visual effect even if they are not meant to be destructive.

sans_fi said:

First of all: Hello there.

This shot was added for the special edition and appears on Empire when Lando is warning the city to evacuate, and in Jedi at the ending celebration. Since in Return of the Jedi it is a pan shot, with crowd cheering, i guess its easier to change it (or substitute it) on ESB (Or tweak it in some way on ROTJ, like changing the sky, i dont know)

 

Welcome aboard! Faster your seatbelt.

Ady Already fix the ESB shot.

I believe the panscan that the camera do at the end of ROTJ is more a flyby from planet to planet. So its good to be kept there.

-Angel

Repeated shit is all over the OT and PT.

You either die now or you live long enough to see them again.

Sky replacement is a good idea. But this belongs to to ROTJ:R :)

-Angel