C3PX said:Vaderisnothayden said:You obviously think that your opinion that Raiders is better is unchallengeable objective fact. Fine, people often think their opinions are objective fact, and sometimes they're right.
As obvious as it may seem to you, it is not the case. My opinion is my opinion and nothing more. Most certainly not unchallengeable fact.
I do believe Raiders is a better movie than the later two films, and I think there is quite a bit of evidence to support this, but I am not really interested in discussion it in detail because it will go nowhere. Your feelings are that each Indiana Jones film got a bit more Indiana Jonesy until it reach a superlative level of Indiana Jonesiness with The Last Crusade. My feeling are that a near perfect action/adventure film was made in the 80's, beautifully styled after old black and white adventure serials, and the three sequels that followed drifted away from the spirit and quality of the original, finally ending on IJATKOTCS which felt like a cheap comedy spoof of itself.
I cannot foresee you or I saying anything to convince the other to abandoned their current point of view on the subject at hand.
I agree I think Last Crusade is only marginally better than temple of doom and way better than kotcs. But the film i love was raiders a penned by Kasden. As was empire strikes back the best star wars film which he penned also. 2 of the finest scripts ever made in the eighties.
Temple of Doom is an awful movie with an awful script by the huycks who also wrote howard the duck and radioland murders. The only thing good they did was graffiti and star wars.
The only good parts were cannibalized from Kasdens script. The mine cart chase and the scene in shanghai.
Jerffrey Boams script for last crusade is very very good even if not on par with raiders. And it is not his fault Lucas insisted on the bad jokes in the movie.
The script for kotcs by Frank Darabount was awful and unused. And the script they used by Koepp is also pathetically bad and only marginally better than darabount's. Its as if Lucas wrote the script himself and had Koepp do a quick rewrite. Plus according to the complete making of indiana jones the final script used the best parts from 4 other scripts if i remember correctly.
The only script they seemingly did not use was the abandoned indy III script by the same director as the first harry potter i think columbus? The story of the monkey king and the lost golden city and the fountain of youth or something like that. Wow that would have made a stupendous movie, not. Well at least brody in it is the brody from raiders and not quite the retard he bacame in last crusade. The worst script of all has to be the one called indiana jones and the saucer men from mars.