skyjedi2005 said:The only movie in the series i don't own in my dvd collection is crystal skull. I won't even ackowledge that as an indiana jones movie and i own star wars epsiodes 1-3 on dvd. Crystal Skull was 10 times the dissapointment of the prequels in general and tied with phantom menace for the two biggest cinematic dissapointments in my entire life. Probably the 2 biggest over hyped dissapointments in motion picture history as well.
Aliens in indiana jones was the stupidist thing ever. What is dumber than ripping off a quasi ron hubbard book by some hack from the sixties called chariots of the gods. When George runs out of ideas film fans should head for the hills,lol.
I would have much preferred the nazis and the spear of destiny plot over the russians and the aliens and the nuked fridge.
I don't hate Crystal Skull like you do, but it was definitely an example of Indy getting prequelized. It was bland. It didn't feel real. It didn't look real. Things that should have been menacing weren't. And the whole aliens angle was handled really poorly. I don't mind putting aliens in Indy, but they should have done it in a classic way, not this otherdimensional bullshit. And the aliens thing ended up being this whole load of meaningless show. That whole alien temple location was such bull. We got a lot of meaningless show shoveled at us. Contrast that with the menacing grail temple with its head-chopping and with the well-acted old grail knight. Or with the sinister menacing thugee temple in Doom. I didn't mind the Russians, but I would have preferred them done more menacingly and without Cate Blanchett being silly. The villains in previous Indy outings weren't a joke. Making villains a joke is like the Trade Federation and the droid troopers in the prequels. And Ray Winstone's character was fucking annoying.
But I find it much more acceptable as an Indy film than the prequels are as Star Wars films. We didn't have Sean Patrick Flanery playing Indy, thank god and we didn't have Hayden Christensen playing Indy, his son or his father. Jake Lloyd was nowhere in sight. There wasn't a stomach-turning sort of romance. Jar Jar didn't pop up, nor General Drearyass. There were no goddamn stuffyass prequel Jedi, posery Kenobi, Mace bloody Windu, pompous Yoda flipping around or the other bloody council wankers. There were no huge meaningless battle scenes or feelingless lightsaber fight scenes or torturous lava planet battles. We didn't have to suffer through Padme being incredibly dumb.
I liked the introduction of Indy's son. I think Shia LaBeouf fit the role and did a good job. I liked him in Transformers too. I think giving Indy a likable son played by an actor a bit reminisicent of Ford was one of the best things in the film. My one problem was his name. For god's sakes, "Mutt"? Just because Indy's named after a dog doesn't mean his son has to be too. That was going way too far.
I think if we want to get annoyed over stuff done to Indy we should start with that awful 90s tv show about Young Indy. Sean Patrick Flanery was no more appropriate for Indy than Hayden was for Anakin. Really, having Indy played by somebody other than Ford for more than a short sequence to back up a Ford story doesn't work. The character is too dependent on how Ford plays him. If they'd had an actor other than Ford in the role, Raiders would never have been a big success. Ford gave that character his soul, made him distinctive, gave him his connection with the audience. Indy without Ford isn't Indy. A short little flashback sequence of another actor's Indy as a cute novelty can be tolerated (like in Crusade), but not a whole bloody show. Plus the stories in the show were dumb. For the sake of being "educational" they had Indy meet pretty much every famous historical figure in existence back in that time, which was ridiculous. It's been described as "cerebral" but it strikes me as being dumbed down in a way reminiscent of the prequels. The show was a fucking insult to the whole Indy thing. Dragged it all in the shit. It was to Indy what the prequels were to Star Wars.