Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 91

hmm, i know wikipedia is far from concrete truth, but it says this on gary kurtz and lucas

George Lucas clashed over how to progress the Star Wars series. Kurtz recalled after Raiders of the Lost Ark in 1981, Lucas became convinced that audiences no longer cared about the story; they were simply there for thrills and entertainment, and he began to deviate from the original nine-episode bible starting with Return of the Jedi, at which point Kurtz quit the series.

sounds familiar?

im no expert on lucas/star wars relationship, but how much of its success is rightfully attributed to him? the more control this guy gets the worse the output seems to be. the impression i get is that he is kind of like Stan Lee, who isn't such a great writer or artist, but a better people person who puts the right people in the right places to produce something good.

either way, id love to steal gary kurtz's manuscripts, or maybe just xerox them.

Monroville said:

G E Predator said:

It probably would have been if Spielberg had gotten to direct it, as was Lucas' first choice.  I blame those vultures at the Director's Guild at the time for trying to pull Empire from the theater and fining Lucas -- and even Kirshner -- for simply having all of the screen credits at the end of the movie.

I always heard David Lynch was supposed to direct JEDI (it was when he either left or was replaced that he went on to work on DUNE).  Regardless, did the DG really try to pull EMPIRE for having the credits at the end, being that it was no different than STAR WARS: ANH did when Lucas had far less clout?

 

Here's what happened with the credits thing.

At the time, the Director's Guild of America (DGA) required that the director's name be placed during the opening credits of a film.  For Star Wars, they let it slide because it was a relatively small film that they didn't think would have much success, and the writer and producer was also the director, so it was entirely his choice.  They still fought about it, but let it go rather easily.

Then Empire came along, and Lucas, after having his nervous breakdowns during Star Wars, wanted to distance himself from the production side of things, and hired Irvin Kershner to direct, another member of the DGA.  But then Lucas did the same thing with the credits, and now the DGA was angry since, in their eyes, he was denying a guild member credit.  The only way Lucas could get out of this was by quitting the Director's Guild himself.

Then ROTJ rolls along.  Lucas can't hire Spielberg like he wants to becuase, as a non-member of the DGA, he isn't allowed to hire DGA members.  So he hires an English patsy (Richard Marquand), but really more or less directs the movie himself (by all on-set accounts).

Oh, and Lucas did ask David Lynch to direct ROTJ after seeing Eraserhead, but Lynch had also been given the opportunity to adapt Dune at the same time, and decided on the latter, since Star Wars was "Lucas' thing," and Lynch felt he wouldn't have enough creative control.  We all know how that one turned out ...

Perhaps someone should do a casting search for a Mark Hamill look-a-like for additional shots.

While we are on the subject of Lynchian Star Wars :

"One chance out between two worlds, lightning walk with me" :

Seriously though a deep red throne room might look more interesting (it would match his guards) anyone want to give it a try?

My mistake.  As an ignorant American, I tend to assume that being from the UK means one is English.

oh_riginal said:

Bingowings said:

Perhaps someone should do a casting search for a Mark Hamill look-a-like for additional shots.

While we are on the subject of Lynchian Star Wars :

"One chance out between two worlds, lightning walk with me" :

Seriously though a deep red throne room might look more interesting (it would match his guards) anyone want to give it a try?

Looks a bit talk show-ish to me...

THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH EMPEROR PALPATINE!

 

Shouldn't that be "ENITAPLAP ROREPME HTIW WOHS THGINOT EHT!" ?

Forget the background features for a minute though and look at how that vibrant red really brings out the hideousness of those features. It could work (though Vader's blade might get a little lost in there).

vaderios said:

I like to see Luke as lone rider. So only far shots. And the revealing will be in the palace.

Close shots to Luke's face, that have shadows from the trees will be a bit unnatural.

Play clever ;)

 

-Angel

 that's prolly a better idea. maybe we can just have a scene of him speeding up the trailer towards the palace and then it cuts to the enterence

that is awesome vaderios!

It's very rough (I haven't traced around all the the elements and corrected the lighting and colour balance perfectly and one is still more purple than than red) but going by these rough mockups it might be doable (it makes the duel like the classic preview poster too) hopefully someone can do a more convincing attempt:

It was never designed as a throne room it's just a control tower he's taken over for the duration of his stay but you think they would have rolled out the red carpet and tarted the place up a bit (maybe moving some of his art collection over from Coruscant) it's more gold/copper Jules Vernesque here would love to see someone else have a go at this sort of look.