Has been montioned, with a strangely similar conclusion as to why in the post.
A lot of that going around lately...
(EDIT) vaderios beat me to it. And there is a lot of this going around lately too....
SPOOKEY!
Darth Solo said:Has been montioned, with a strangely similar conclusion as to why in the post.
A lot of that going around lately...
(EDIT) vaderios beat me to it. And there is a lot of this going around lately too....
Is there any feasible way to fix it?
The Golden Idol said:Darth Solo said:Has been montioned, with a strangely similar conclusion as to why in the post.
A lot of that going around lately...
(EDIT) vaderios beat me to it. And there is a lot of this going around lately too....
Is there any feasible way to fix it?
As you can see, the blurriness is the fix! ILM cut out the characters with no level of blur at all (look at Lando's hair and Chewie's whole body). Its just a matter of finding the balance between the cardboard-cut-out SE and the maybe-too-blurry Revisited Trailer.
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First thought is to close your eyes at that point in the movie.
The origanal shot was in a hallway as opposed to an outside balconey shot if memory serves.
Take it back to the original shot?
But i guess that would be unpopular now!
(EDIT) memory was almost right (thanks 00).
I like the whole image of R2 but Ive no real issue with it either way.
Besides a lot of work has already gone into that sequence already.
doubleofive said:The Golden Idol said:Darth Solo said:Has been montioned, with a strangely similar conclusion as to why in the post.
A lot of that going around lately...
(EDIT) vaderios beat me to it. And there is a lot of this going around lately too....
Is there any feasible way to fix it?
As you can see, the blurriness is the fix! ILM cut out the characters with no level of blur at all (look at Lando's hair and Chewie's whole body). Its just a matter of finding the balance between the cardboard-cut-out SE and the maybe-too-blurry Revisited Trailer.
Some blurriness would be fine, but there's too much in the trailer. This is especially noticeable when looking at 3PO's leg.
Sluggo said:Adywan can make one helluva trailer.
Yep!
doubleofive said:I'll just say "No problem" for everyone. I love playing detective, and finding the right frames and what had been changed was fun! Glad I had the extra time to do it though, it did take a while.
EDIT: Don't want to make two posts in a row, so here's my mockup of the side view of the Emperor hologram:
Dude, you beat me to it! I had been busy I with work and was sad to let you guys down about the mock-up, yours is superb
vaderios said:fredstar said:
Some things to make it better.
Eliminate the damn photoshop lens flares and use custom ones ;)
All the heroes are fade exept the Droids and boba. if you want to pop up, make them in different size.
Some slight motion blur to snow speeder.
Luke has some bad outlines. Manage to have all the heroes a uniform color and sharpness
Sabers can not overlap.
You have MF on the top right when the top left is empty, bad balance.
The orange sky thing dont work so well. maybe an other sky.
Add an asteroid field somewhere maybe.
You don't leave space for any titles.
Thats some things than can make it better
My 2 Credits.
-Angel
Cheers Angel, great constructive criticism / feedback. I agree, It definatly needs it's own lens flare, PS has terrible flares and I have made my own before so will use them instead.
I'm going to have to really clean up Lukes hair for him to have unnoticeable edges, it can be done so long as I get some spare time ;-)
And yes, a re-arangement is required for better balance. Those pesky drioids still anoy me and will probably use a bust shot of Boba and Yoda instead of a full body one.
Time to google image search again :-)
Chur.
............... beat me to it. And there is a lot of this going around lately too....SPOOKEY!
How do you get rid of these stupid quote boxes if you quote yourself (not that many people do)?
Darth Solo said:(EDIT) vaderios beat me to it. And there is a lot of this going around lately too....
SPOOKEY!
I dont get it :P
Some sort of plague in the forum, that bites you on the arse, then makes you hit the IGNORE button A.S.A.P.
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^^I missed that one HotRod before i got the chance to read it. PM me what you wrote there (honestly that is, as your worse than me;-), man of many words.
You didn't miss anything man.
vaderios said:Edit: I just noticed that Vader's Chest lights in the scene after han is tortured, when lando and vadie are talking, aren't moving... Perhaps a ANH:R treatment?.-Angel
check again because there is nothing wrong with them.
DuTwan said:Few points i feel i must bring up is that the Hoth battle, the ATATs at the back look a little too fake, mostly due to lighting, i mean the front ones shadows are a light grey whereas the ones at the back are very dark.
actually the rear AT-AT's are the same as the front ones only timed different so they don't look the same. They have been brightened and have a black level of 16 instead of 0 like the front ones so the shadows on the rear ones are indeed lighter. Guess it must be an optical illusion or video set-up that's making them look darker to you.
Ripplin said:vaderios said:I d love to keep the lasers that the TIES firing at MF at the asteroid chase( adds more color to the scene)
I was surprised at that too. Hope it makes it into the final cut, as I was really impressed with it.
sorry, but the lasers are gone for good. After i added them there was just something wrong with the sequence that i just couldn't put my finger on at first. it was the lasers. i tried removing them just from the shot where the TIE blows up but that didn't work so they had to go.
Darth Piccolo said:luke's lightsaber still seems to be transparent as i can still see vader's lightsaber in it.
not sure what you mean by the first thing because none of the sabers are transparent
GoodMusician said:I would ask that if you decide to remix the music... when you go to do that... maybe pen me a quick letter... there's a lot I can tell you about where to go to get what...and for what reasons. The SE will be your undoing if you simply cut and paste it into the film as it's horribly wrong.
i'll certainly be giving you a shout when i get to the audio side of things.
BarBar Jinkx said:but there is one thing that stands out to me & unfortunatly it is something that I do not think that can be fixed
the glow of the sabers should be visible in his eyes
actually you wouldn't see the glow at all. the most you would see is a point of light. i may add the point of light but only if i can do it convincingly.
Sevb32 said:My question for Ady is how is he going to do officers pit part without it looking repeated? I see it's using the part from where Needa and the other guy are on the bridge when the falcon flies so close to the bridge. All those officers are posed the same way as in the earlier shot, so how is he going to stop it from looking like reused shot?
The star Wars films have many reused shots in it. In ANH there is the shot of Tarkin reused before the DS explodes, ESB its Leia on the command centre to name just 2.
Now the layout of the pits on the executor changes in ESB. Look at the shot at the end f the movie when Piette orders the officer to "ready the tractor beam". its actually the avenger bridge pit. no one seems to have been bothered by this before so i'm not too bothered about it now. And in ROTJ the bridge is completely different again.
vaderios said:In fact... The buildings have the correct perpespective but it should have a blue shadow tint because of the sky reflection :)
you really do have a blue fetish don't you Angel. are you sure you didn't do the recolouring for the 2004 DVD's? lol
i'm not sure why the new fad is that everything outdoors in daylight has to have a blue tint to the shadowing. its a recent misconception and seems to be a rule with many CG & photoshop artists, which is one reason that a lot of CG looks fake. different lighting conditions & atmospherics are what affects the environment, the clouds in the new matte have a yellow tint because of the time of day so the buildings would also be affected by this.
Siliconmaster482 said:Curiously Ady, why did you move Obi-Wan's head closer to the center?
well this was down to the new background. because i had made Obi-Wan more transparent, like he is in ROTJ, the background had an unwanted effect on Obi-Wan's face in his original position so moving him more to the centre showed off the transparency better without making his face look weird.
nice posters by the way savage and fredstar
Darth Piccolo said:in the asteriod chase the tie fighter on the far rigth, below the other 3 seems to jerk a bit.
professa said:just one bad for me
vader's saber thicker than luke's
vaderios said:Also there is an FX glitch in the laser firing when the ties are hunting the MF in the new Star destroyer shot. ( when the up right TIE shoots near the end the laser isnt moving properly and overlap the tie itself. Its not ady's fault)
Asteroid-Man said:Ady, are you going to be working on the edges of the rebel ships in the hoth battle? They've got shadows around them.
Sluggo said:Ady, could you look at the 'levatating' boxes and rocks on Dagobah? Most of the time, the effect works pretty well, but sometimes it seems more like props on string in some shots.
Also, the trick the stage hands used to lift R2 looks bad. It just looks like he is being lifted up by a platform on a jack. I guess I think it ought to look like everything is floating on a space station, just bobbing up and down and not so static.
Enigmas said:- At 1:44 the taun-taun's motion doesn't look as fluid as the other shot in the trailer (which just looked superb). I love the footprints, though!
The Golden Idol said:So, no one else noticed the bad compositing/outlines of Lando, Leia and Chewie on the balcony? I'm sure it's ILM's fault and not Ady's, but is there any way to fix it? It sticks out.
these are all problems with the original elements. there isn't much i can do without having all the separate elements and re-composite them i'm afraid.as for vaders saber at least its not as thick as it is on the GOUT. my god that saber is like the ROTJ ones.
i've added annotations to the trailer in my youtube account so you can see what's changed while watching the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPtwBQpDl08
Darth Solo said:Now Adys posted the trailer, its going to be quieter around here now hes making his props, so let him focus on the frustration of that insted of nit picking every frame of Empire that may add to his workload at the moment.
yes, now the trailer is done the video work has stopped. i'm now concentrating on the models and sets. i'm not too happy with the guy i purchased the Millennium Falcon model off ebay as i still haven't received the model. his first excuse was that he had been in hospital and was sending it out last Wednesday but after that he has stopped replying to my emails so i have had to raise a dispute. how the hell can it take so long for a model to get to me when its in the UK but others i have ordered since this one from around the world got to me in no time at all. not a happy chappy at the moment
adywan said:vaderios said:Edit: I just noticed that Vader's Chest lights in the scene after han is tortured, when lando and vadie are talking, aren't moving... Perhaps a ANH:R treatment?.-Angel
check again because there is nothing wrong with them.
DuTwan said:Few points i feel i must bring up is that the Hoth battle, the ATATs at the back look a little too fake, mostly due to lighting, i mean the front ones shadows are a light grey whereas the ones at the back are very dark.
actually the rear AT-AT's are the same as the front ones only timed different so they don't look the same. They have been brightened and have a black level of 16 instead of 0 like the front ones so the shadows on the rear ones are indeed lighter. Guess it must be an optical illusion or video set-up that's making them look darker to you.
Ripplin said:vaderios said:I d love to keep the lasers that the TIES firing at MF at the asteroid chase( adds more color to the scene)
I was surprised at that too. Hope it makes it into the final cut, as I was really impressed with it.
sorry, but the lasers are gone for good. After i added them there was just something wrong with the sequence that i just couldn't put my finger on at first. it was the lasers. i tried removing them just from the shot where the TIE blows up but that didn't work so they had to go.
Darth Piccolo said:luke's lightsaber still seems to be transparent as i can still see vader's lightsaber in it.
not sure what you mean by the first thing because none of the sabers are transparent
GoodMusician said:I would ask that if you decide to remix the music... when you go to do that... maybe pen me a quick letter... there's a lot I can tell you about where to go to get what...and for what reasons. The SE will be your undoing if you simply cut and paste it into the film as it's horribly wrong.
i'll certainly be giving you a shout when i get to the audio side of things.
BarBar Jinkx said:but there is one thing that stands out to me & unfortunatly it is something that I do not think that can be fixed
the glow of the sabers should be visible in his eyes
actually you wouldn't see the glow at all. the most you would see is a point of light. i may add the point of light but only if i can do it convincingly.
Sevb32 said:My question for Ady is how is he going to do officers pit part without it looking repeated? I see it's using the part from where Needa and the other guy are on the bridge when the falcon flies so close to the bridge. All those officers are posed the same way as in the earlier shot, so how is he going to stop it from looking like reused shot?
The star Wars films have many reused shots in it. In ANH there is the shot of Tarkin reused before the DS explodes, ESB its Leia on the command centre to name just 2.
Now the layout of the pits on the executor changes in ESB. Look at the shot at the end f the movie when Piette orders the officer to "ready the tractor beam". its actually the avenger bridge pit. no one seems to have been bothered by this before so i'm not too bothered about it now. And in ROTJ the bridge is completely different again.
vaderios said:In fact... The buildings have the correct perpespective but it should have a blue shadow tint because of the sky reflection :)
you really do have a blue fetish don't you Angel. are you sure you didn't do the recolouring for the 2004 DVD's? lol
i'm not sure why the new fad is that everything outdoors in daylight has to have a blue tint to the shadowing. its a recent misconception and seems to be a rule with many CG & photoshop artists, which is one reason that a lot of CG looks fake. different lighting conditions & atmospherics are what affects the environment, the clouds in the new matte have a yellow tint because of the time of day so the buildings would also be affected by this.
Siliconmaster482 said:Curiously Ady, why did you move Obi-Wan's head closer to the center?
well this was down to the new background. because i had made Obi-Wan more transparent, like he is in ROTJ, the background had an unwanted effect on Obi-Wan's face in his original position so moving him more to the centre showed off the transparency better without making his face look weird.
nice posters by the way savage and fredstar
Darth Piccolo said:in the asteriod chase the tie fighter on the far rigth, below the other 3 seems to jerk a bit.
professa said:just one bad for me
vader's saber thicker than luke's
vaderios said:Also there is an FX glitch in the laser firing when the ties are hunting the MF in the new Star destroyer shot. ( when the up right TIE shoots near the end the laser isnt moving properly and overlap the tie itself. Its not ady's fault)
Asteroid-Man said:Ady, are you going to be working on the edges of the rebel ships in the hoth battle? They've got shadows around them.
Sluggo said:Ady, could you look at the 'levatating' boxes and rocks on Dagobah? Most of the time, the effect works pretty well, but sometimes it seems more like props on string in some shots.
Also, the trick the stage hands used to lift R2 looks bad. It just looks like he is being lifted up by a platform on a jack. I guess I think it ought to look like everything is floating on a space station, just bobbing up and down and not so static.
Enigmas said:- At 1:44 the taun-taun's motion doesn't look as fluid as the other shot in the trailer (which just looked superb). I love the footprints, though!
The Golden Idol said:So, no one else noticed the bad compositing/outlines of Lando, Leia and Chewie on the balcony? I'm sure it's ILM's fault and not Ady's, but is there any way to fix it? It sticks out.
these are all problems with the original elements. there isn't much i can do without having all the separate elements and re-composite them i'm afraid.as for vaders saber at least its not as thick as it is on the GOUT. my god that saber is like the ROTJ ones.
i've added annotations to the trailer in my youtube account so you can see what's changed while watching the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPtwBQpDl08
Darth Solo said:Now Adys posted the trailer, its going to be quieter around here now hes making his props, so let him focus on the frustration of that insted of nit picking every frame of Empire that may add to his workload at the moment.
yes, now the trailer is done the video work has stopped. i'm now concentrating on the models and sets. i'm not too happy with the guy i purchased the Millennium Falcon model off ebay as i still haven't received the model. his first excuse was that he had been in hospital and was sending it out last Wednesday but after that he has stopped replying to my emails so i have had to raise a dispute. how the hell can it take so long for a model to get to me when its in the UK but others i have ordered since this one from around the world got to me in no time at all. not a happy chappy at the moment
Oh man, the old ebay seller "I was in the hospital." excuse. Even the ones with great feedback can go bad when they are going thru harder times.
I see your point there Ady ;)
But consider to see the clouds in the SE cloud car flyby.
Before it passes the buildings they have greish shadows.
After is passes they have blueish.
Just for info ;)
-Angel
I will miss the TIES laser fire, I added to the seen in my opinion.
I had an issue on e-bay that sounds strangely like yours Ady several months ago. I never got any relplies from my dispute with the funds id payed from to the Isle of Man who was visiting a sick mother in Leeds at the time of the transfer, and he'd promised he'd post it as soon as he got back. This was a reputable dealer, with 100% feedback, but im still waiting after e-bay had contacted him. I got something from Hong Kong in three days for F.sake.
Re-claims the money!
Thats my only horror story in over 200 tranactions there though.
Sevb32 said:These are my examples of how, if a certain building is re-used in same shots or different shots, it doesn't coincidently look exactly the same, differing window light patterns, not all the same lights are off or on. This breaks up the monotony and makes things not look so cloned. Something to consider. All 4 of these are different. This was quickly done to suit my point.
I don't mean to be a repeater but anyone agree with this post above I pasted from earlier?
sorry for triple post <:(
whati really love about the trailer was that he used the interactive light idea. on the left is angel's mockup and i like how close adywan's came to his.
i hope he uses it in other subtle area like in angel's mockup
aside from the unfortunate BS incident with the falcon, ady, every once in awhile give us and update on ur models and maybe if possible, post a few pics of wat ur doing.
awsome work and good luck! ;)
Hey Ady - i mentioned this before, but did you ever look into the magazine series that is out that includes a small but detaled model with each edition 'The Official Starships & Vehicles collection'. These model are probably not ideal for some shots (close-ups), but will be good to use for others and allows you a cheap and cheerful way to get various models used in the movies
