skyjedi2005 said:Did you know they spent about a million dollars on the frickin thing and did'nt even shoot it on film as far as i have read. They shot it on u-matic studio video tape circa 1978. Thats some quality there,lol.
This special is easily the worst thing George Lucas ever created. Worse than Howard the Duck, Worse than Jar Jar even. Worse than Pee Wee herman as a droid on star tours. That and Captain EO are a bit creepy now knowing they were meant for children.
Unless you have a servere case of nostalgia i also would say stay as far away as possible from the ewok movies and the droids and ewok cartoons. Can you believe this is all we got after jedi back in the day. The marvel comic was a couple steps above but was at some point later cancelled.
Can you imagine being a kid and wanting sequels to Return of the Jedi and all you get is this garbage. At least until Heir to the Empire and Dark Empire came out.
Then you wait 16 years and get served up a disney channel movie of the week like the phantom menace. What an utter disappointment. Turning off my brain to the next 2 and enjoying their mind numbing stupidity and action was the only was i could deal with it. I had to tell myself there are not star wars only something using the name themes and characters poorly. So i saw menace in theaters once and clones and sith twice only for the epic lightsaber duels that were in hindsight laughable.
If you could mute the horrible wooden and uninteresting dialogue and characters basically you have six hours of wall to wall cgi and frantic action. The plot threads so thin i'm surprised the films work at all. They work a whole lot better when filled in by EU comics and novels. So they throw an EU bandaid over plot and continuity vacuum big enough to fly a death star through.
Also the politics now in the EU are very heavy handed. They dealt with Terrorism and the war on terror with the vong. They dealt with Bush in the prequels. And now the last book was about more politics and religion crap. Something Outcast or something i can't exactly remember.
The originals had politics too but they were not in your face. It was more your standard revoltionary war style story.
Having Hayden deliver the bushism in Epsiode III made me burst out laughing in the theater. It was so bad i literally could have been rolling on the floor laughing at Lucas.
This special is easily the worst thing George Lucas ever created. Worse than Howard the Duck, Worse than Jar Jar even. Worse than Pee Wee herman as a droid on star tours. That and Captain EO are a bit creepy now knowing they were meant for children.
I'm not sure it is worse than the prequels, because it's not meant to be taken very seriously, but the prequels are supposed to THE Star Wars backstory and actual star wars films. The Holiday Special didn't ruin Star wars. The prequels (along with the SE) did. If Lucas rejected the prequels as much as he rejected the Holiday Special I'd be very happy. I still think the Holiday Special should be available on dvd. It's just like Lucas to keep it unavailable.
Unless you have a servere case of nostalgia i also would say stay as far away as possible from the ewok movies and the droids and ewok cartoons. Can you believe this is all we got after jedi back in the day. The marvel comic was a couple steps above but was at some point later cancelled.
The first ewok movie is unbelievable dreadfulness. And Lucas was careful to make it quality unlike the Holiday Special, can you believe. Some quality (as in none). The second movie is pretty lame but significantly better, and Wilford Brimley was great in it. The ewok cartoon is the sort of thing Obama would ban from being used on detainees. It's pure torture. It, along with the ewok book series that predated it, totally warped the ewoks into something they weren't in ROTJ or even the ewok movies. Basically care bears. The droids cartoon was a bit more bearable and had Anthony Daniels' effective talents. The Marvel comics had some pretty dumb stuff, but there was also some good stuff in there too. The Marvel comics are more Star Wars than the 90s/2000s EU.
Turning off my brain to the next 2 and enjoying their mind numbing stupidity and action was the only was i could deal with it.
I can't say I found much of the action in the later two prequels to be enjoyable. Ok, the Jango-Kenobi fight was ok and the flying car chase had something to it, even if the characters were too blandly unconcerned during it. But otherwise the action in those two films is boring, uninvolving and sometimes really bad. The awful video game droid factory sequence comes to mind. What the FUCK was the point of that? Not to mention the Mustardfart lightsaber battle and the Loony Tunes Emperor-Yoda fight. And the AOTC arena battle was sleep-inducing, other than Windu giving us some relief by chopping Jango's noggin off.
As for enjoying the stupidity of the films, yeah, that works. I've recently gotten a kick out of watching the films to point and laugh when the lameness hits the screen. Hayden's lines on Mustfart crack me up every time.
Can you imagine being a kid and wanting sequels to Return of the Jedi and all you get is this garbage. At least until Heir to the Empire and Dark Empire came out.
I wasn't impressed with Dark Empire, though the art in Dark Empire 2 was good. The characterization of the Emperor in the Dark Empire/Empire's End comics was crap. The Emperor just comes off like a dumb cliche villain and looks nothing like himself. The emperor in ROTJ was a cliche villain, but he was a cool and distinctive one, whereas in the Dark Empire comic he was just a totally nondistinctive cliche villain. Heir to Empire was pretty well done, but I have issues with its revisionist take making the empire still be around in significant power after ROTJ. I prefer the Marvel comics even though they're obviously on a lower level. They're more the old tradition, rather than revisionist 90s EU.
Also the politics now in the EU are very heavy handed. They dealt with Terrorism and the war on terror with the vong. They dealt with Bush in the prequels. And now the last book was about more politics and religion crap. Something Outcast or something i can't exactly remember.
The originals had politics too but they were not in your face. It was more your standard revoltionary war style story.
Having Hayden deliver the bushism in Epsiode III made me burst out laughing in the theater. It was so bad i literally could have been rolling on the floor laughing at Lucas
The political stuff in the prequels was idiotic. If Lucas is to be believed, the original trilogy had political stuff in them, but it wasn't heavy-handed. Whereas the prequels' stuff was. It looks to me very like Lucas trying to get points with the critics by doing trendy politics. I bet that political stuff is why ROTS got better reviews. I think Lucas claimed that the political stuff was invented back in the 70s or so and thus wasn't made to refer to modern politics, but the very political lines WERE written in modern times and thus could certainly have been written to refer to modern politics. Plus, whatever story he had way back could have been shifted slightly in writing the films to fit modern politics.