Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 85

Ripplin said:

Bingowings said:

But Independence Day is a terrible film, it's Mars Attacks! without the jokes (not to mention the only film I actually shouted at and I got applause too).

What did you shout at it, if I may ask? ;) Sounds like you were doing live Rifftrax.

I've only seen around 3 or 4 minutes of Independence Day; one scene with Randy Quaid saying some tired catchphrases (the kind that make it seem like they're really trying to make it a catchphrase...which I hate) and one with a dog jumping away from some fire in a tunnel in slow motion or something. I immediately thought 'ehhh, this is not for me' and I've never actually watched it. I did see Mars Attacks! and that was a colossal waste of time. :p

Anyway, ESB wishlist... Hmm, well, I wish someone (especially Adywan in the ESB:R thread) would comment on that idea of having R2 fall straight into the hole after he fixes the hyperdrive, rather than that bounce/whatever thing he does.

 

Remember there was the long death scene with the first lady in the desert and then she turned up alive only to die again in the bunker?

Come the second death scene I had enough (not just of the wringing out of emotion with that scene but also with the film generally) so I shouted,"For God sake woman hurry up and die!", I love cinema and I love escapist science fiction and I would normally never shout out anything even in a bad film but this time I did and I must of caught the mood.

It sounded like the death of liberty.

Ripplin said:

Bingo, I keep seeing your mock-ups only because someone has included them in a quote, because you keep editing your old posts. :p

 I'm just trying to save space and posting the mock up to illustrate a point I have already made.

RoccondilRinon said:

It was a very silly movie, but fun. You just can't take it remotely seriously, but hey, you're not meant to.

The sillyness detracted from any fun (as did the lack of internal logic) it wasn't a comedy like Mars Attacks!, Ghostbusters or Men In Black  (all much better films) it wasn't so bad it was good like Plan Nine From Outer Space, it was a jingoistic gung-ho bit of pseudo-patrotic sentiment pretending to be escapist science fiction.

In short it was Mars Attacks! without the jokes or Starship Troopers without the internal logic and satire (now that too is a much better film even if it isn't as good as the book).

ANH and ESB painted a very big galaxy, ruled by a huge Empire (with it's own internal bickering) backed up by a huge starfleet of thousands of ships (and presumably billions of troops) with a criminal underclass and a growing and viable Rebellion.

Going by the end of ROTJ everything shrank down to two old men about twenty capital ships and less than a hundred troops that could be taken down by teddy bears armed with stone age weapons of an afternoon (sure there is a huge body of EU material which continues the fight off the screen but from what we see on screen everything is tied up in nice little dissapointing bow).

That and the toilet humour, slapstick and references to Tarzan put ROTJ into much the same footing as where Independence Day would later place it's big flapping flag and set the scene for what didn't work with the prequels.

Echo3 said:

I LOL'd.  sorry if its been posted.

Who can tire of this Intergalactic gem?

aside from the comedy of a bounty hunter flying in the background, i think the reaction time to luke's "kick" is delayed. i'm srry, but i've never read anything of a force kick. such bad choreography.

If you can use your hand to force knock someone down, why not your foot too? But this could easily be fixed with today's technology

The reason why ESB is so good is because the guy thinks of things out of the box.

He's a bit eccentric. Slightly zen-like.

Adding a bit of ethnic woodcraft to Endor:

Keeping up the R2 noticing stuff that nobody else does motif, "Dinsdale!":

thats a cool idea! hints of empt civilisation. would it be appropriate to have the odd wrecked ATST perhaps? so when the ewoks destoy them later on it seems a bit more premeditated as oppose to well....lucky?

that seems a little, i won't beat around the bush. i don't like it.

rcb said:

that seems a little, i won't beat around the bush. i don't like it.

It would be helpful if you beat around the bush a little bit.

What don't you like about it, the idea, the execution (and if so what about the execution)?

Ripplin said:

^If it helps, I like the idea and the execution! Great idea and it makes perfect sense. It's no stretch of the imagination to think that the Ewoks are very good with tools and such and would have some sort of cultural markers here and there. :) The 3PO-like idol was a nice one, too.

Thanks for that, personally I think the giant Ewok idol doesn't look so good but it might be an idea someone else could do better, having it flash by a few seconds before we first see them (not knowing how big Ewoks are and seeing a giant wooden carving all be it in the distance and out of focus might pay off for when we see how small they are and later learn how good they are at fighting).

"They are big and possibly threatening, oh they are small and cute, oh they are tough and resourceful (and eat people)."

That's the sort of twisting about with a first time viewer fun that could be had with adding stuff (but that mock up may not convey that idea as well as it could).

Just like the head on a stick mock up, the idea is to flesh these small furry people out so the audience reaction is more complex than "ain't they cute".