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I imagine not all mock-ups would be pertinent to the topic heading of this thread or the other threads Angel posts on as long as we get the relevant ones ;-)
Same goes with Axia and everyone else.
DarthBo said:Wait, are you posting mockups we haven't seen there, or the same ones you already posted here?
No offense, but I'm not interested in joining yet another forum. (Especially if it's just someone's personal site)
I will post some of my mockups here too. Most of the work will be posting there;)
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I imagine not all mock-ups would be pertinent to the topic heading of this thread or the other threads Angel posts on as long as we get the relevant ones ;-)
Same goes with Axia and everyone else.
I just watched TPM and AOTC ( the Phantom Edit versions) yesterday, and I must say, AOTC is aging horribly already. TPM, like you said, is faded looking, and has that pink tint, but it actually holds up well in the special effects and sets department, a bit of colour correction and it'll look great.
That picture of Dooku on Geonosis up there is terrific, the rock reminds me of Egypt now, and looks convincing. That needs to be done for pretty much every scene in AOTC. The special effects mostly look horrible, and the sets are very obvious green/blue screened (I can often almost see the mattelines around the actors, it's disgraceful looking). Jar Jar looks better in TPM than he does in AOTC, for instance, he looks very CGI in his movements, wheras, annoying as he was, he looked more or less believeably "there" in TPM.
The scenes on Kamino are almost hilarious, you've got Ewan McGregor looking completely uncomfortable and awkward, as he's meant to be sitting in a room, talking to a character, when you can easily tellhe's sitting in front of a bluescreen, talking to thin air. I actually felt embarrassed for him, to be put in such a situation (it definitely affected his performance as well, he was very unsure-looking in the scenes).
I've not watched ROTS in a while, so I don't know how it's aging, but I see it having the same problems AOTC has, after only a couple of years, though to a lesser extent.
Seems that TPM will ultimately age the best out of the three prequels (in looks department anyway). AOTC is going to need some serious amount of work to hide the shoddy effects that appear in almost every scene.
i must admit after just seeing the new star trek i feel embarrassed to even admit the PT exist now.:S
Ithilgore said:That picture of Dooku on Geonosis up there is terrific, the rock reminds me of Egypt now, and looks convincing. That needs to be done for pretty much every scene in AOTC. The special effects mostly look horrible, and the sets are very obvious green/blue screened (I can often almost see the mattelines around the actors, it's disgraceful looking).
YES! I thought i was crazy about the blue-green sreened that some times illuminated on the actors.
i have to say it again. TMP even older it has the best looking droids ever. AOTC is an unforgibable mess that could be turned good with some more hugs and attention. Just look the DAMN arena battle. The droids are floating and there are some serious but Serious Compositing problems.
ROTS IMO always is a good example to link the two trilogies. the sets/miniatures serve the purposes pretty well and not the crap from AOTC.
Btw, Check the Grievous 3d model how is changing from the close ups to to wide shots. Its a Wtf moment that is not the same...
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ben_danger said:i must admit after just seeing the new star trek i feel embarrassed to even admit the PT exist now.:S
Though the effects were nice, overall that new Trek movie is garbage. It has as much in common with Star Trek as a box of of used tampons. Not to mention none of the effects shots were as ambitious as things that were done in the PT.
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I agree that the prequels were not bad enough to ingnore, but I thought this Stark Trek was excellent. Great special effects.
A New Hope may have been influenced by Star Trek, but this new Star Trek is definatly influenced by Star Wars.
It's a bit ironic to see one who ardently defends the PT (which is a poorly-constructed, unenetertaining, cringe-inducing patchwork of revisionist bunk) accuse the new Star Trek movie (which is well-done, enjoyable, and keeps remarkably close to the spirit of TOS) of having "as much in common with Star Trek as a box of of used tampons". The cognitive dissonance makes my brain tickle.
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teharri said:Great special effects.
To me, unless it's a tech demo or something, that is the lowest criteria for a good movie, just like a pretty video game is useless if it has bad controls. :p My young friend said about Star Trek before we saw it 'the graphics look cool.' Then he thought a second and said 'but you're more concerned with story, right?'
But yes, the special effects were nice. I'd've been shocked if they weren't! Haha.
I can't believe I live in a world where I found the last Trek movie better than some SW...
vaderios said:The droids are floating
I've seen you mention that about the arena scene in AOTC before, but can't think of what you mean. Is it a problem with shadows?
TMBTM said:I can't believe I live in a world where I found the last Trek movie better than some SW...
i know! the success of new trek is in its reinvention. its not old trek at all.:P
i think we should use this as a benchmark in our edits perhaps?:)
Akwat Kbrana said:It's a bit ironic to see one who ardently defends the PT (which is a poorly-constructed, unenetertaining, cringe-inducing patchwork of revisionist bunk) accuse the new Star Trek movie (which is well-done, enjoyable, and keeps remarkably close to the spirit of TOS) of having "as much in common with Star Trek as a box of of used tampons". The cognitive dissonance makes my brain tickle.
I find it ironic as well that I have now become a hater thanks to JJ's shit relaunch of Trek. It is in NO WAY remarkably close to the spirt of TOS.
TMBTM said:I can't believe I live in a world where I found the last Trek movie better than some SW...
I can't believe I live in a world where people feel that way.
Ben_danger said:i know! the success of new trek is in its reinvention. its not old trek at all.:P
i think we should use this as a benchmark in our edits perhaps?:)
Dont all of you hate the PT becuase it wasnt what you thought Star Wars was? And now you want to reinvent it?
And finally comparing Star Trek and Star Wars is just ridiculous, they are completely different from one another.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain.
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AxiaEuxine said:Akwat Kbrana said:It's a bit ironic to see one who ardently defends the PT (which is a poorly-constructed, unenetertaining, cringe-inducing patchwork of revisionist bunk) accuse the new Star Trek movie (which is well-done, enjoyable, and keeps remarkably close to the spirit of TOS) of having "as much in common with Star Trek as a box of of used tampons". The cognitive dissonance makes my brain tickle.
I find it ironic as well that I have now become a hater thanks to JJ's shit relaunch of Trek. It is in NO WAY remarkably close to the spirt of TOS.
TMBTM said:I can't believe I live in a world where I found the last Trek movie better than some SW...
I can't believe I live in a world where people feel that way.
Ben_danger said:i know! the success of new trek is in its reinvention. its not old trek at all.:P
i think we should use this as a benchmark in our edits perhaps?:)
Dont all of you hate the PT becuase it wasnt what you thought Star Wars was? And now you want to reinvent it?
And finally comparing Star Trek and Star Wars is just ridiculous, they are completely different from one another.
sorry, i shouldn suggest changing things, or opening debate. i mean its only a fricking fan edit website. no offence axia, but whats with being crazily defensive all the time? you seem to love your encyclopedias and PT factbooks, but at the end of the day i just want to see a great movie. the great thing i found about the new trek film, is that it had 60s qualities to it, but was brought into a futuristic style too. so what if it wasnt standard trek? it was a great straight forward film.
I found the new Trek movie to be exactly in the spirit and feel of almost all the Star Trek movies, it's essentially a remake of Nemesis (which was in itself a rehash of Wrath Of Khan).
It was no better and no worse (the media seems to be behind it so the cinema viewing public is too).
It carried over all that was going wrong before with Star Trek as well as a large amount of what was always enjoyable about it.
The special effects look better but that's to be expected after such a long gap, the story doesn't make much sense but it often doesn't with Star Trek movies or Star Trek in general.
There were some nice performances but there were some terrible ones too.
It's over-rated but not that bad.
It shares with the prequel films a feeling that the action sequences were based around the levels of a computer game.
Kirk and the Romulans jumping from one polished surface to another is no more emotionally engaging than Obi-Wan doing it in TPM.
It also had that unnatural, "Hello, I'm well loved character A, you must be well loved character B, nice to meet you for the very first time" feel to a lot of the conversations.
The new style Chekhov is the Jar-Jar of that film too (Silly voice mannerisms Chek! Annoying to the point of distraction Hov!) and Sulu is suddenly without any noticable charm or charisma.
And don't get me started on the pointless Scotty introduction to get Kirk back on the ship subplot.
It's not the bold new reworking everyone thinks it is, it's just an average Star Trek film full of the usual flaws just as TPM was an average Star Wars film with much of the same problems that Jedi had (only without the great OT cast to pull it along).
Bingowings said:It's not the bold new reworking everyone thinks it is, it's just an average Star Trek film full of the usual flaws just as TPM was an average Star Wars film with much of the same problems that Jedi had (only without the great OT cast to pull it along).
Well said. Way too many people are going way too ga-ga over it, I think. And I bet a lot of those people are young-ish. Once the hype settles down, I'm sure a lot of people will see that it's not a great film. Decent, yes, but far from great.
Reminds me of when my brother came out of the theater after Transformers and said that was the best movie he'd ever seen. Absolute nonsense, and I'm sure he'd laugh now if I told him he'd said that.
I found it very entertaining. The only problem with it is the same thing as Star wars..the fans. I am in my mid twenties and I grew up with Star Wars. I liked the prequels and I like this new Trek. All of the older fans are always building these movies up too much in their minds. Trek, like the prequels were destined to fail because of this fact.
I would not be surprised in people hated the hobbit when it comes out, of course the gap in between movies will have been shorter. People need to go into movies excited, but not to the point where you set it up to fail.
My problem is with modern action films in general more than anything, I think. Too much over-the-top action and clichés (including cheesy one-liners, which not even The Dark Knight was spared of) drive me nuts. It just gets to be too much at some point. I was so glad when the battle in Transformers came to an end, for example. It was just at the point where I felt like 'wake me up when it's done, please.'
I am WAY more into story than flash, and in this era of computerizing as much as possible (even a helicopter in The Day the Earth Stood Still?! Surely it would've been cheaper to just rent a chopper for a day), I find story comes second sometimes. To that end, that's why I wasn't crazy about the PT. Too much focus on flash.
AxiaEuxine said:Dont all of you hate the PT becuase it wasnt what you thought Star Wars was? And now you want to reinvent it?
And finally comparing Star Trek and Star Wars is just ridiculous, they are completely different from one another.
Why is it so hard to accept that we honestly feel that the PT were BAD MOVIES? That's it! They weren't good. We didn't like them because they weren't good. You can disagree, that's fine, but three important things:
1) Don't lump us all in the same category. There are plenty here who don't mind the PT.
2) You don't need to turn EVERYTHING into a personal attack against you. Just because we dislike the PT doesn't mean we're bashing you because you like it.
3) It's not just the PT. ROTJ sucks, too.
And finally, here's the reason for the Star Trek comparisons:
The new Star Trek movie takes place before any of the other ones (minus the Enterprise series). Therefore, we can compare its success in telling a story before the others to the PT's success in doing something similar. The new Star Trek succeeded where the Star Wars prequels failed.
And we know that Star Trek and Star Wars are very different. I hate Star Trek fans that hate Star Wars just because it's not Star Trek, and vice versa. I love both.
Now. Back on topic! :-)
I think that part of the success (so far) of the Star Trek movie is down to media manipulation.
TPM was massively slated by the press and this coupled with a rather rose tinted view of ROTJ made that film seem a lot worse than it actually was.
The Matrix was that year's media favorite and the cinema going public (sheep) bought into that line too (it's a better film than TPM but not that much better and the sequels were not that different and they were slated by the press and booed by the audience).
The Trek film is being almost universally applauded by the press, prompting people who hadn't visited the Star Trek universe to assume it was a massive difference.
Everything in the new film has been done before in other Star Trek productions, there isn't one unique concept in the film at all.
It's being marketed as "Not your dad's Star Trek", well it is, warts and all and it really should have been something so much better and daring.
I dont think you are attacking me personally. I guess Im just a passionate person. I am rarely middle of the road on my feelings about anything and I just want to share my passions with people I guess.
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AxiaEuxine said:I dont think you are attacking me personally. I guess Im just a passionate person. I am rarely middle of the road on my feelings about anything and I just want to share my passions with people I guess.
youre right there axia. sorry if things got bitchy earlier, i think our viewpoints differ but im glad we have your enthusiasm here. im not saying there should be sides, but its good to have someone who sees ideas in a different light as it widens the scope for discussion and debate.
Alright here we go, ben_danger :D
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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Alright here we go, ben_danger :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4
wow like the OT music :)
very nice, love the ot music too. You should take a look back at Trooperman version of the scene, It's hard to remember of the top of my head but from what I do
New start
Anakin kicks those bugs buts before they even fire a shot
Color correction
When the big metal pole hits him, is because he's distracted by padmes scream
R2 saves the day without flying, it's a surprise
All in all win
I like the start to this one too, very unique!
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